Creating and editing color palettes

I am a little embarrassed to have to ask this, but I need help developing a reasonable strategy for dealing with color palettes on the Hog 4 platform.

My goal is to get to a point where I always start with a custom generic show file so I am not constantly recreating color and beam plaettes, views, custom effects, etc. As a point of reference, in the Hog2 days it was simple enough to select a single fixture of each fixture type to create palettes that would be recognized by any number of those same fixtures. I realize that the GLOBAL, PER TYPE and PER FIXTURE options are far more powerful but somewhere along the line I get fouled up. This problem is exacerbated when I have to start editing those palettes which I have to do all the time.

My plan would be to start with one instance of as many different fixtures as possible to create my standard color palettes. I would assume all of these palettes would be recorded PER TYPE. Whenever I start a new event, I would then merge whatever new fixtures might be necessary to my standard show file before moving on to actual prgramming thereby increasing the number of fixtures in that generic file. I am again assuming I would merge these palettes using PER TYPE.

By the way, I am aware that the HOG OS more or less requires one to stay in a single color model per fixture type. I like the idea of the HS model as it certainly makes the effects engine and detailed programming far more powerful. I am not convinced, however, that HS is truly the best model choice. I am also not entirely sure if using white and/or amber LED's with the HS model constitutes mixing color models.

Since moving into Hog 3 and now Hog 4, I have constantly run into issues with colors that will not update or that just play back incorrectly. I am fairly certain that some problems may occur due to my potentially forgetting to choose PER TYPE when recording. There have been times that the only way I can "repair" a specific color might be to use the "PER FIXTURE" option.

As I mentioned in another thread, I would like to have more than one standard color palette so that I can switch back and forth between them based on current usage. I want to make certain, before I invest any time in the process of creating a standard show file, that I am doing things in a way that will work. To some extent I have the same problem with beam parameters. It does not seem like this should be that difficult but it has been driving me nuts. Any thoughts?
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  • [QUOTE=MLorenz;72315]Andy, what about if you create (or let me create it for you) an ANDY-Light... a Spot that has 2 rotating Gobo Wheels, CMY, 2 Color Wheels and the other needed features.
    With that fixture (maybe based on a VL3000 plus adding these other features) you build your base show...
    I know that slot colors are sometimes are not correct, might be due to revisions in hardware, software or DMX charts. There is no real easy solution, but this is not a real development bug, it is more a thing of communication between manufacturers and lib-creation or even making/providing correct DMX-Charts.

    I´m still thinking of an easy or good way to alter palettes with or without the option to have influence on existing programming.
    Maybe a record-option that when you merge into an existing palette that this will allow existing cues to be referenced to all values. This would help in all your color problems or if you have recorded a NC without any CTO infos in it and would like your NC now be a bit warmer because of TV recording or so, then you only would need to add CTO to your NC palette and all cues will have it into.
    Ok, a work around for this situation would be to edit the CTO default, but still I understand your request.

    Marc: Incorrect fixtures I know are not always going to be an HES thing, is the official fixture files not created by and outside company and HES has a way to created requested fixtures themselves? I have to use a selection of lamps that once downloading the DMX chart does not give a correct result.

    I send in to email addresses, but would love an online form which would give some idea to status of the request and also allow anyone with the same problem to see if that fixture is in the system for update.
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  • [QUOTE=MLorenz;72315]Andy, what about if you create (or let me create it for you) an ANDY-Light... a Spot that has 2 rotating Gobo Wheels, CMY, 2 Color Wheels and the other needed features.
    With that fixture (maybe based on a VL3000 plus adding these other features) you build your base show...
    I know that slot colors are sometimes are not correct, might be due to revisions in hardware, software or DMX charts. There is no real easy solution, but this is not a real development bug, it is more a thing of communication between manufacturers and lib-creation or even making/providing correct DMX-Charts.

    I´m still thinking of an easy or good way to alter palettes with or without the option to have influence on existing programming.
    Maybe a record-option that when you merge into an existing palette that this will allow existing cues to be referenced to all values. This would help in all your color problems or if you have recorded a NC without any CTO infos in it and would like your NC now be a bit warmer because of TV recording or so, then you only would need to add CTO to your NC palette and all cues will have it into.
    Ok, a work around for this situation would be to edit the CTO default, but still I understand your request.

    Marc: Incorrect fixtures I know are not always going to be an HES thing, is the official fixture files not created by and outside company and HES has a way to created requested fixtures themselves? I have to use a selection of lamps that once downloading the DMX chart does not give a correct result.

    I send in to email addresses, but would love an online form which would give some idea to status of the request and also allow anyone with the same problem to see if that fixture is in the system for update.
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