Fixture Parameters on Faders

I can't imagine that this isn't possible, but I've been fighting with it for a while so I figure I need someone to hold my hand through the process.  I have a bunch of S4's on motorized yokes with DMX Iris kits.  What I'm hoping I can do is program a set of 4 separate faders on a wing to control the Intensity, Pan, Tilt, and Iris of a single Source 4.  Intensity is easy enough, but I'm finding it rather difficult to get fader control over the other parameters.  What am I missing?

The reason for my set up (If someone needs to know) is that I'm trying to run my Fader Wing a considerable distance away (@ my FOH Mix) and I don't want to drag the whole ION down every time I'm running a show from the FOH.

Thanks!

Owen

  • Owen,

    The easiest way to do this is a selective store of the parameter into the submaster.  I like to do it in blind thusly:

    • [blind] [sub] y [enter]
    • channel x {parameter} at Full (where {parameter} is pan,tilt, or iris)

    You select the parameter that you want from the parameter category buttons in the CIA.  Assign the submasters to faders and you should be all set.

    -Todd

     

  • and don't forget to make your subs proportional...

  • I just had a quick go at this in EOS offline for pan and tilt and discovered that the subs only go from 0 to the maximum positive value, not the full range.  This might be a bug or certainly an unintended limitation.

    I recently had to do CMY parameters on faders and had no problem, but because they use the  0-100 range I did not notice the limitation of no negative values in the sub.

    At least for pan and tilt, the sub is made proportional when recorded in blind like I went through above.  Not sure if that holds true if it is recorded live.

    -Todd

     

  • Thanks! I have got the mover control all set up, conveniently the range between -100 and 0 gives me a full spread of the stage.  I am however struggling now getting my RGBW LED wash set up in the same manner.  I tried applying the same steps as before, just replacing pan and tilt with red, green, blue, and white individually.  What I'm finding is the colours come up with the fader as expected, however pulling the fader down does not pull the level back down.  Through playing with it I've discovered that if I give the fader a value of 0 for the red cell (red as an example) they begin to work the way I want - Just upside down.  If I must I can live with getting used to running those particular faders upside down, do you know where I may be going wrong?  Or perhaps is there a way to flip faders?  This one isn't as big, I could get by just mixing a nice wash colour before hand and sticking to that.

    Thanks again!

    Owen

  • Hi Owen,

     

    Before you get too far down this route I would question how you intend to connect your wing to the console. How far away from the console is your FOH position? The limits on USB cable length may prohibit this. Without checking I think the max recommended cable length for USB is under 5 metres. (without a hub)

    You could of course be intending to connect a client laptop and plug the wing in there, in which case you're fine, but just thought I'd flag it up.

     

    Graham

  • The issue that you're seeing here is the Home values of the fixtures you are trying to control.

     

    A submaster at 0 will put the fixture attributes at their Home values. Home values for RGB LED's are at Full - to get White output. Home values for Pan/Tilt are 0 - but this is 0 degrees not 0%/0 DMX.

    The quickest way to resolve this would be to create a Preset with RGB at 0 and Pan/Tilt at their minimum values. Then in Setup - Show - Show  Settings - change Home Preset to the Preset you have just made.

    This should now fix the behaviour of a Sub at 0 - so that your LED's react the correct way round and you will get full Pan/Tilt range.

     

    Hope this helps.

     

    Warren.

     

     

  • Warren,

    Thanks for the info - I'll be able to give this a shot today

    Owen

  • Graham

    I've bought a USB2 over Cat5 extender, I've tested it at 75' - 100' and it's worked no problem with my 2x10 wing.  Perhaps a slight delay, but nothing really noticeable.  Haven't tested it with my 2x20 wing yet.  Thanks for the input though!

    Owen

  • I'm up and running now with everything moving as it should - Although I should mention that rather than create a preset to adjust the home values, I just adjusted the values in the fixture profile of my LEDs at the patch level.  Same idea, bit different!

    Thanks for all the help folks

    Owen

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