Cue crossfade snaps

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately it's not possible to use playbacks since there are some cues which would be too difficult to do with playbacks.

I am just a user, so what I say will need confirmation by the gurus, but it seems the CS desk has ‘automatic gear change’ regarding movers. On a manual desk you have to insert a Mark cue to tell a light to re-position before its next appearance. The CS desk has a Move-on-Dark facility which automatically presets all non-intensity values in the cue which precedes the cue when the light is faded up so it is ready. It does this as quickly as possible as it has no idea how much time it’s got. This logic has a hard time when there are no intervening cues.

Most movers have a motor speed parameter which could be used to slow the movement, handy in case you want it to move quietly. This might take the curse off it but you can’t match it to an actor’s movement in real time.

I have a show file under investigation where the desk was spuriously sending my mover to its endstops and speed to maximum, so the positioning logic may have faults, but I suspect what you are seeing is intended.

However I have noticed that when you set a position using a playback the head’s progress does follow the playback fader movement. Hence my suggestion 

I am just a user, so what I say will need confirmation by the gurus, but it seems the CS desk has ‘automatic gear change’ regarding movers. On a manual desk you have to insert a Mark cue to tell a light to re-position before its next appearance. The CS desk has a Move-on-Dark facility which automatically presets all non-intensity values in the cue which precedes the cue when the light is faded up so it is ready. It does this as quickly as possible as it has no idea how much time it’s got. This logic has a hard time when there are no intervening cues.

Most movers have a motor speed parameter which could be used to slow the movement, handy in case you want it to move quietly. This might take the curse off it but you can’t match it to an actor’s movement in real time.

I have a show file under investigation where the desk was spuriously sending my mover to its endstops and speed to maximum, so the positioning logic may have faults, but I suspect what you are seeing is intended.

However I have noticed that when you set a position using a playback the head’s progress does follow the playback fader movement. Hence my suggestion 

I don't have much experience with lighting myself, I did look into the motor speed parameter, however our mover (Martin Mac 250+) didn't seem to have one.

I did notice that when I set a larger 'IN' time on the second cue, the mover does actually pan/tilt slower. We could 'kind of' make it work like this and have the actor try to follow the light, however it is of course less than ideal.

At present (2.5), LTP parameters like Pan and Tilt operate as follows:

• If the light is "Off" at the end of the crossfade, use the "Move Dark Time" to pre-position for the next cue.
• When the next crossfade starts, move to the new position using the cue "In Time".

We are planning on also allowing the crossfader to control the progress of LTP parameter moves as you've requested, (change request CSCON-35744), however this change will not be in 2.6.0

Thanks for explaining that, Richard. What is the default time for Move Dark? I haven’t got the console in front of me, only a copy of the manual. In cases where there is a ‘Motor’ or ‘Positioning’ speed, does the console alter these?

Thanks for your reply Richard, unfortunate that it's not yet possible but good to know it's coming in the future.

Is there any way to track the progress of these change requests on the forum or otherwise?

The default is 1.0 seconds, you can change it in Setup > Settings > Times

Thanks for the info. I’ll certainly extend that to reduce potential noise in a theatre situation.

If you are interested you can join the beta forum.  For each new build of software during beta we post a build report.  As soon as CSCON-35744 shows up in the build report you would know it has been implemented.  Unfortunately that is the only way for you to know at this time.

Where can I find/join the beta forum?

community.etcconnect.com/.../colorsource-console-open-beta-forum

At the bottom of the page will be a black ribbon, click Join.

I just noticed CSCON-48119 on the Beta Build 13 report, from the description this seems very similar as the issue I'm experiencing. Would that be correct?

No it is not.  It relates to your other post.

Ok great, thanks!