Sneak/Fade Changes function, few other conceptual questions

Hi all,

 

Getting along well with our Congo Jr, but there's a few things I've been trying to accomplish and can't quite figure out. My background is as an ION programmer, and a Road Hog 3. 

1: a "fade changes / sneak" function for busking. I.e. go from color palette 1 to 5 over a period of 5 seconds

2: an extension of that,  setting a group of event to execute when a button is pressed. I guess something akin to a 'make live' function, where I could type in 201ch 204 thru 1 focus 2 color 5 time  *do that*

3: Every so often the console has to pull double duty for a theater-like show, where go-to is needed. I can't re-use presets in the same way, since "go to 2 preset" will not bring me where i need to go. I know I can go to sequence numbers, but those change every time you insert a new sequence step, which is unacceptable for a stage manager. We've just been recording each "cue" as a new preset, but is there a better way to do that? No way to make decimal sequence steps?

 

Thanks 

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  • First of all, the fundamental differences between Eos Family (eg Ion) and Congo Family:

    Congo is a Direct-Action, Preset-based console. Eos is a Command-line, Move-Fade console.

    Direct-Action means that everything is short, fast actions.
    - on a Congo, every command is somewhere between one button and a number + 2 buttons.

    "Build a long command then press enter" is a command-line concept, and simply does not apply.
    - Looking for a command-line on a direct-action console is like trying to find the steering wheel on a motorbike! It's not there and adding one would make it harder to ride.

    1&2) Assign your Direct Selects as the Types Color and Focus, then type "4 [DS: Color Palette 5]" to get a 4-second fade into Color Palette 5.
    - Alternatively, put the palettes of interest onto Masters and use # [Master_Key] to fade to the palette on the Master in time.
    In Congo, you can put practically anything onto a Master.

    Your selection is only cleared by [C/Alt][C/Alt] or starting a new one, so a syntax for your (2) is:

    201 [ch] 204 [Thru] 5 [DS:Focus 1] 5 [DS:Color 2]

    3) Eos Family's Presets are not the same Congo Presets. Unfortunately while they have the same name, it's a different concept*.

    In Eos Family, a Preset is a 'super-palette' - a collection of values (that might further include palettes) which you can use either as referenced data or a shortcut for copy-from (automatically-Make Absolute). A Cue doesn't have to include all the lights in the Eos Preset (though you often would) any more than it would have to use all the lights in a color palette, it just references (or copies) the ones it needs.

    In Congo Family, a Preset is a Cue** without crossfade timing - it's the complete actual look on stage that the playback will really be using.

    • A Sequence Step adds crossfade timing and the ability to include automated actions (move a Master, wait-and-follow times etc) to your Preset, making it a complete Cue.
      - Re-using a Preset in a Congo Sequence is similar to using link-loops in Eos.
    • Placing a Preset onto a Master means it uses the Master's timing, by default fully 'manual' and following the Master.

    The similarity is that in both cases, Presets are partial or complete looks-on-stage.

    If you re-use Presets, # [Goto] will always go forward in the Sequence. (Then loop back to the start if not found)

    Finally, the Sequence Step numbers are purely to define the ordering, nothing else.
    Think of them like the page numbers in a book - it doesn't matter what the numbers actually are unless you're checking the Contents/Index, just that they are in the right order.
    I prefer to hide them using the option "Show Sequence Numbers" in [Setup] > "Crossfade".

    * Unfortunately there is a lot of that in lighting - like Focus (Pan&Tilt) and Focus (Edge)...

    ** More or less. A Preset alone only has attribute timing, it takes the crossfade/Intensity timing from the place that plays it back, like a Sequence Step or a Master.

  • Thank you Richard,

    1,2) I'm aware of the differences in programing philosophy between the two, thanks for that syntax list. I think what I was skipping/missing was using direct selects instead of just typing in 2 pallet color

    3) Yes, this is as I expected, I guess i'm looking for best practices of getting something I could give to a stage manager so they could call cues? The reason we started recording everything as a new preset for those sort of shows was because the stage manager did not take kindly to calling the same number multiple times for a blackout, so on. 

     

    Thanks again!

     

  • In general Preset == Cue.

    Re-using Presets multiple times in the same Sequence is an 'advanced' feature that very few people need.

    For the most part, straight copy/paste of the Preset (as opposed to the Step) is what you want.

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