Life after Expression 3...to the Congo we go!

Hello everyone, first post!

I studied lighting in college in the late 90'sand got work in a venue for the last 10 years, pretty much only using the Expression 3. Now our venue is getting a full upgrade and our brand new ETC Congo Jr showed up today.

Well you guys can guess, things have been a bit rusty for me, I got used to the "Yoda" syntax ok, but what tripped me up worst is the lack of a release button. It is second nature to use that in the E3, and I have not yet found an equivalent on the Cjr.

Of course I have a new show to program with only less than a day behind the board, so any tips or tricks would really help me out. I work in a small community venue, so I have relied of my submasters a lot to quickly program lights since we have a new show almost every day with pretty much no turnaround.

My Cjr came with a master playback wing, and dont even get my started on that one...cuz it also works differently than I expected.

Anyways, thanks and any tips and tricks would be awesome.

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  • Well two weeks have passed, and here is how it has gone.

    I am liking the syntax and the speed I am able to program, tho I have to admit when it gets late I slip back to my Expression 3 syntax from time to time, hehe.

    I am still having some trouble with moving lights, I kinda cheated it by manually programming the parameters as presets and put them on faders, and I am sure this is not the best way.

    Two questions, 1. What is the best way to add a patched device to the master faders ( I prefer using those over the wheels), and 2. how do I access the other 30 Master faders ( so far I only seem to be able to access pages 1 to 10 using the (+ and -) buttons. 

    I am sorry if I seem like complete dunce, but I figure I'd give it a shot. But hey, the audio guy in my venue seems impressed. ;)

  • Hi Obie -

    I'm glad you like your Congo jr!

    1) You can place any parameter controls onto the masters directly - the faders would then behave like the wheels for the most part. To do this, first select a channel that corresponds to one of your movers. This will place the parameters on the encoder wheels. Then press and hold down an encoder wheel and while keeping it pressed down, press the master key for the fader you would like that parameter to be on. This moves manual control of your light onto a fader. However, there are some parameters that might be better controlled by using an encoder - especially functions that have ranges, like strobe, color wheels, gobos and the like - because you can press and hold down the encoder and see the individual ranges on the master wing or up on the direct select keys above the LCD display.. Have a play and see which way you like better.

    2) I'm not 100% sure I know what you're asking, but here's some clarification on the master pages - Congo has 999 pages in a show file, we just pre-build the first 10 for you as a convenience thing. You can make a new page simply by typing the number you would like to use for that page, then press the PAGE key between masters 10 -11 or 30-31. Congo will throw a dialog box asking if you want to make that page. It doesn't matter which bank of faders you apply that page to, as you can use any page either the top or bottom faders. You can jump from page to page using the PAGE key as well, just type the number of the page you want to go to then press the PAGE key. Congo supports up to 80 masters, and the master wing alone will get you physical faders for masters 1-40. Masters 41-80 can be used with keyboard commands or for master links, or if you don't need them you can pretty much ignore them. Otherwise, if you get a second wing you can have hands on control over them as well. Controlling the masters is described in the help system on the console.

    Does that help?

    Thanks!

    Sarah

  • Yes, you can move tabs around however you like:
    [Tab] & [Left/Right] moves them between screens, [Tab] & [Up/Down] unsplits/splits two tabs on screen if there's more than one on a screen.

    "v6" isn't the full version number - the version number is of the form "X.Y.Z.#.#.##" and we need at least the X.Y.Z

    The green arrow appearing/disappearing shows that the channels were being controlled, but your command was being overridden by something else before getting to Live.

    The intensity value (0-100) will be shown in Red if the channel is being Inhibited, and Blue if it's under Exclusive control.
    - v6.0.4 and earlier didn't show this for 0%, hence Sarah's question about the version you're running.

    As you don't think there was an inhibit or exclusive anywhere, the other possibility is that these channels had been Captured by accident.
    - Captured channels will automatically Release on show load or console start.

    If anything is captured you'll see "Capture" at the top of the screens, and the Captured channels have a dark red background in Live.

    Hit [Release] to release the currently-selected channel, or [Release][Release] to release all captured channels.

    [Capture][Capture] toggles the Capturing mode on and off.

     



    [edited by: Richard at 10:28 AM (GMT -6) on Tue, Sep 27 2011]
  • I will not be at my console till later this afternoon, I will update the post with accurate software version and also mail Sarah the show file.

    I would love to attend the Congo workshop, I dont mind traveling for that. Where can I find more info on time/location of said event?

    Thanks again guys. :D

  • The forum thread for the Miami training event Sarah mentioned is here.

  • Thank you Richard, sadly I wont be able to attend, but I would love to attend one at a later date. I would imagine that would be quite a fun workshop.

    My current software version is:

    6.0.4.9.0.82

    I was thinking of upgrading to 6.1 tomorrow.

  • Hi Omar -

    Yes, updating to 6.1 would be a good idea, or you can wait just a little longer as we hope to release 6.1.1 very soon, which solves a couple of things found in 6.1.

    I think you do in fact have an inhibitive master somewhere in your show, and I think it's lurking on a master numbered over 41 (even though you have one wing, you actually have 80 master fields for stuff to get into). Somewhere on Master Page 3 or 4 there's an inhibitive master in the 0 position. If you send me your show I can take a look, or you can look in the Master Pages yourself - they are found in the Browser>Masters>Master Pages.

    Thanks much -

    Sarah

  • Now, lets hypothetically say that one of my collegues went into the board and hypothetically deleted all my presets and sequences.

    I use a USB stick as a back up, if I want to restore the board completely to the most up to date saved state on the stick.

    Do I chose Open or Import option in the browser? And once I do it shows me a whole gamut of options of what I would like to import, what is the correct one?

    Thanks! Did I mention you guys are awesome?

  • If the most up-to-date version is on your stick you choose open.

  • Gotcha, that worked.

    A quick moving light question.

    So selected a template and patched it correctly, my moving device is responding to the "beam" ,"color" and "focus" buttons. I know that pressing the buttons multiple times will allow me to access more functions corresponding that function.

    However oddly, some instruments only give me a fraction of their functions. I will have dimmer and color control, pan and tilt but nothing else.

    Am I missing something? Are there other ways to access additional functions of said instrument?

    I did make sure that the mode the instrument is set in (mode 2) is identical to the mode of the template I downloaded. (Robe ColorMix 575 M2)

     

    So yeah, if any of you plan visiting LDI in Orlando, tell me, I owe all of you dinner. :D



    [edited by: Obienator at 5:18 PM (GMT -6) on Wed, Sep 28 2011]
  • Open will open the entire show file - that's everything you've done after the Welcome screen. Patch, Setup, Presets, Groups, Masters etc etc.
    - The only things this doesn't include are the system options in System Settings.

    Import is for when you want to copy some things from one show file to another - the most common use is when you've got a custom (or customised) Template for some kind of moving light that's not in the standard or extended library - you can use Import to copy that Template from the show file you built it in into your current show.

    Returning to your hypothetical scenario:

    The console automatically stores the previous 9 saves of a given show as .001 thru .009, so if a hypothetical somebody were to accidentally break the show, you can always load the previous save (or go back a few saves) to get it back before they messed with it.

    You can see those if you press the right arrow on the show file name in the Browser, and highlighting them will show the date and time they were saved in the Info area.

  • Hi Omar -

    Regarding your ColorMix fixtures - how did you import the template? Was it from the standard or extended library? Can you send a show file? Is it possible that when you go to the BEAM encoders, that they are sitting on another page (not 1 of #)? What happens when you press the BEAM key a few times?

    Thanks much -

    Sarah

  • Richard said:

    Returning to your hypothetical scenario:

    The console automatically stores the previous 9 saves of a given show as .001 thru .009, so if a hypothetical somebody were to accidentally break the show, you can always load the previous save (or go back a few saves) to get it back before they messed with it.

    Haha as you might as guessed that scenario was not quite a hypothetical, a colleague ( sound guys I tell ya!) went to play around with the board and deleted everything! But problem solved.

    Sarah I mailed you the show file, please be gentle. :P

    So onto more fun......Direct Selects...can they make my life easier when using moving lights?

     



    [edited by: Obienator at 5:20 PM (GMT -6) on Thu, Sep 29 2011]
  • DIrect Selects  are definitely fantastic for moving lights.
    I have Groups, Focus positions , Colours, Gobos , and certain specific setups all on the direct selects. It makes it easy for me to place all or any movers at any position with one button!!

    Use them !!!!

  • A keep in mind that you can put any Palette on any Master....... Great for busking.......

  • I see the direct selects sitting there, but I havent the foggiest what they do. The booklet has not been to helpful in that regard.

    Can I use them to quickly select a moving light for example? Or am I misinterpreting its function?

  • Obienator said:

    I see the direct selects sitting there, but I havent the foggiest what they do. The booklet has not been to helpful in that regard.

    Can I use them to quickly select a moving light for example? Or am I misinterpreting its function?

    Yes you can.

    At the top left of the console are 40 direct select buttons above these in the far corner are 5 silver page buttons. on the Jr they are at the side of the console wing and at the top left of the main console this gives a total of 200 dedicated direct access buttons between the two blocks are the type and bank keys.

    To choose what you would like each block of 10 buttons to do.

    select silver button Bank 1

    Press and hold [Type] the available choices for each of the four sections

    Press Focus, colour, beam, palette,group,screen,parameter,auto group, more will appear. Press the button that corresponds to the content type you want to display

    To select the range

    Press and hold Bank 1-10,11-20,21-30 etc,etc

    Press the button that corresponds to the bank you want 

    Example

    Lets set page 1 to show focus, colour, beam and group

    Press and hold [Type]

    Focus in the top left bank select
    Colour in the bottom left bank select
    Beam in the top right bank select
    Group in the bottom right bank select

     

    You will now see the groups we just record appear in the bottom right block.

    The direct selects display things that you have already recorded like groups or colour palettes. they can also display parameters of moving lights that are already patched

    For example you could show the colours of a scroller by selecting the TYPE Param then with
    a scroller channel selected press the colour palette key then the colour key under the moving light display

    You will now see the first ten colours of the scroll in the direct selects
    repeat this in another block of 10 and then change the bank to 11-20 and you will see the rest of the colours.

    You can now select the scroller colours directly from the direct select keys.

     

    I hope that helps....

     

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  • Obienator said:

    I see the direct selects sitting there, but I havent the foggiest what they do. The booklet has not been to helpful in that regard.

    Can I use them to quickly select a moving light for example? Or am I misinterpreting its function?

    Yes you can.

    At the top left of the console are 40 direct select buttons above these in the far corner are 5 silver page buttons. on the Jr they are at the side of the console wing and at the top left of the main console this gives a total of 200 dedicated direct access buttons between the two blocks are the type and bank keys.

    To choose what you would like each block of 10 buttons to do.

    select silver button Bank 1

    Press and hold [Type] the available choices for each of the four sections

    Press Focus, colour, beam, palette,group,screen,parameter,auto group, more will appear. Press the button that corresponds to the content type you want to display

    To select the range

    Press and hold Bank 1-10,11-20,21-30 etc,etc

    Press the button that corresponds to the bank you want 

    Example

    Lets set page 1 to show focus, colour, beam and group

    Press and hold [Type]

    Focus in the top left bank select
    Colour in the bottom left bank select
    Beam in the top right bank select
    Group in the bottom right bank select

     

    You will now see the groups we just record appear in the bottom right block.

    The direct selects display things that you have already recorded like groups or colour palettes. they can also display parameters of moving lights that are already patched

    For example you could show the colours of a scroller by selecting the TYPE Param then with
    a scroller channel selected press the colour palette key then the colour key under the moving light display

    You will now see the first ten colours of the scroll in the direct selects
    repeat this in another block of 10 and then change the bank to 11-20 and you will see the rest of the colours.

    You can now select the scroller colours directly from the direct select keys.

     

    I hope that helps....

     

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