Recording Groups into Cues - ETC ION

Groups are simply collections of channels. They exist to make it easy to put channels on the command line. They are not recorded into cues, as they have no parameter values.

If you do what Tony has written in his reply, you will get the values from channel 1 copied to channels 6 thru 10 in the selected cues. This is probably what you mean by "recording the group into cues."

-Todd

Groups are simply collections of channels. They exist to make it easy to put channels on the command line. They are not recorded into cues, as they have no parameter values.

If you do what Tony has written in his reply, you will get the values from channel 1 copied to channels 6 thru 10 in the selected cues. This is probably what you mean by "recording the group into cues."

-Todd

This topic kind of goes along with what I was just getting ready to ask but just a bit different. Groups are a simplifier (is that a word? :-) Anyway when they are selected for ease to record into cues I am assuming they just allow what is in them to be dropped into the cue and the individual values/parameters are made at that time.

So what if the groups are changed around mid stream? Say Ch 1-6 are in group 1, ch 7-14 are in group 2 and cues are written using those groups. Then I change group 1 to be channels 40-56 and group 2 to be channels 19-27. Will that have any affect on what is currently recorded in the cues once the changes are made. Another words is there any reference in a cue to what was in the group when it was recorded?
I am thinking you might be asking why groups would be changed mid stream. My exact situation is I used a current show file for a new event that has all the same fixtures in it in all the same locations plus a few added. I modified the Magic Sheet and the groups to make more sense for both events actually but saved the changes in the new one only. Because the new one makes much more sense I want to merge the groups and Magic Sheet in the new show file into the original one, which is going to be used weekly for a very long time. Of course I would delete the added fixtures in the Magic Sheet and the groups that are not needed. I don't want the group changes to affect the cues in the original file at all.

Hope this makes sense.

Really groups are just an editing and selecting short cut.   They are not saved in the cue or anywhere.

So when you enter group 1 its just as if you typed in the list of channels and if the channels in group. 1 change it has no effect on anything

As tdrga said, groups on Eos are a channel selection tool and are not referenced data. Essentially, they are a shortcut so that instead of typing [1][thru][6][@][7][2][Enter] you can type [Group][1][@][7][2][Enter].

So changing your groups does not change any data previously recorded, only what channels are now selected (and the order in which they are selected) for record/edit operations moving forward.

EDIT - Mike A beat me to the reply button

 starksk We keep crossing paths lol

So is there a way to do what OP was asking? I'm having the same issue (see description below)

If I want to be able to record a group of channels into some cues in a series of cues and then, later on, I want to be able to change which channels are in that group, and have that information update throughout my cuelist, is there a way to do that?

If, for example, I record a channel (or channels) into a focus palette throughout a cuelist, and then I later change the pan/tilt values for that focus palette, then the positions of my moving lights will update throughout the entire cuelist.

As I said before, groups are only a channel selection tool. They aren't referenced after the selection is entered into the command line. They're just a shortcut to save you typing more numbers

Palettes are referential data so when you tell a channel to use a focus palette and store that in a cue, the reference to the palette number is stored not the discrete focus data. When the cue executes, it goes and retrieves the current values of the channel in the palette number that was referenced.

If you need to change which channels have data stored for them after the cue was recorded, you'll need to use other tools like query or blind spreadsheet to find that data to change/update.

Maybe your OP thinks of a function like recipe preset in grandMA 3?

No - I understand your previous response - what I'm asking is if there is a way to create a reference to a selection of channels so that, for example, any time I reference 'collection 1', whether I am setting an intensity, applying an effect, or sneaking out, that action will apply to whichever channel(s) are in the referenced selection (eg 'collection 1', or 'group 1').

Maybe the misunderstanding came from my use of the term 'group' - you have been very clear about how groups work in EOS - I am just wondering if there is some way to latch a reference to any number of channels. This would be useful in many ways. Thanks again.

no there isn't a way how you can add a channel to a cue by adding said channel to something else.

I think recipe on grandMA3 can do it. Maybe adding a feature request.

the only workaround i could think of is a Macro.

In the Macro you could always access your desired group.

But using a macro is not helpful in terms of using the Cues specific data like Time/Delay/Flags/...

Editing a show is more work : /

But on the other side it is fun to dig in the show again.