The Best ETC Consoles

Oh......If only ETC would produce a new line(designed from scratch) of consoles with all the latest features, and yet still retaining all of those features that made the expression and obsession boards so popular..... A desk that any Expression or Obsession user would feel right at home on!  

After all, how many Express / Expression / Insight / Emphasis / Obsession consoles did ETC end up selling anyway?

  I have heard rumors to the effect that the ETC folks studied the original Strand Century Light Pallate console from the 70's (which by the way is nothing at all like their new pallate series) when they were designing the Obsession console, in order to find out exactly what it was, that made that desk so popular. Therefore, I would think that they should at least apply the same kind of effort to their own legacy products when designing new ones.  

  I think we would all agree that there is somthing about most of  ETC's products that just........well.......clicks (for lack of a better term).     Think of the source 4 fixtures,  the sensor dimmer racks; what exactly is it about these products that really impressed you when you first started using them. What is it, after years of use, that you still admire about these products, even after using newer products from the competitors. If you could describe "it " using only single words, what words would do "it " justice?  Words like rugged, simple, elegant, easy, compact, slick, relieable, tough, benchmark, intuititive, faithful, flexible, and in some cases indestructable come to mind.  Think of all the other products we use in everyday life that also have "it ".  I often refer to such products as the "Swiss army knife of [name of product category here]". 

Thus it is with the expression and obsession boards, "the Swiss army knife of lightboards". Long obsolete they may be (technologically not so much functionally), yet I do hope that future ETC boards will reflect on the design values of these desks; especially in the area of the user interface and command syntax, which was brief and to the point, and totally easy to learn.  And I liked the fact that the same basic command structure was used to record, label, and edit everything.... groups, subs, and focus points, as well as cues in live and in blind modes.  Blind mode is where the expressions really shine; being able to quickly view and edit the data as a list, a tracksheet, a spreadsheet or as a single block, and haveing multiple ways to get to any perticular data point or parameter with a minimum number of keystrokes is simply a must for any future console. And the expression family boards were plug and play; no external processing engines, no fader wings, just a good, solid, roadworthy desk. Hook up a standard keyboard, monitor, and printer (for the era), and you're in business. Even the buttons were great, nice and clicky... and not mushy like so many other products I shall not mention. And in light of the fact that there was a model in that family to suit anything from lower budget schools and churches right on up to professional touring shows, all with the same powerful operating system and a common show file format and offline editor, it's no wonder that these things sold so well.

Oh if only.......a desk that brought these wonderful concepts to the realm of moving lights and leds....if only!!!

  

          

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  • Oh.....Andy it sounds like you're not loving ETC at the moment!! One topic is asking for development of old consoles and now one asking for development of a whole new range!

    Sadly the world has moved on and things aren't as simple as when we first started working in the world of lighting. We now have more moving lights and LED's which eat up DMX universes liking it nobodies business.

    ETC have introduced a new family of consoles build from the ground up taking all their experience from Obsession and Expression. Anne Valentino was product manager of Obsession now the Eos family, Ann Foster wrote 99% of the software for Expression now team leader of the Eos family, we couldn't ask to be in better hands in this modern age!

    I work in the UK and mainly on Strand consoles until 5 and half years ago and hadn't touch an ETC console until Eos! Strand consoles have died because they didn't look forward! I recently learn Obsession 2 to cover some clean up calls on the show which is currently running on the console and if you are telling me that this console is better the an Eos family console you are sadly wrong! On Eos we can track a values backwards to when it last moved!!!

    I would suggest you download the Eos family offline software or better still have some training on the product and really learn what it can do. We all have to change at some point, it's not going to be easy but in the long run you'll be glad you did!

    Nick

  •   Oh but I have used an Eos, and the offline!  And a powerful console indeed it is, but nevertheless, In my opinion, I still feel it takes a bit too many keystrokes to make certain types of repetitive edits and updates. And the command line syntax....a bit unforgiving if you ask me.  At any rate, I found that I spent a lot more time programming for an event on the Eos than I did for the same event in previous years using the same basic rig with E3's or Strand 500's. Given, I'm not as fluid on the Eos as I probably should be, or indeed like I am on Strand, MA, Avo, Hog, and older ETC desks, but there it is.  Like you said, there's a whole lot more stuff to control now'a days.... all the more reason for a quick and familiar control interface.......all too easy to get lost! 

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  •   Oh but I have used an Eos, and the offline!  And a powerful console indeed it is, but nevertheless, In my opinion, I still feel it takes a bit too many keystrokes to make certain types of repetitive edits and updates. And the command line syntax....a bit unforgiving if you ask me.  At any rate, I found that I spent a lot more time programming for an event on the Eos than I did for the same event in previous years using the same basic rig with E3's or Strand 500's. Given, I'm not as fluid on the Eos as I probably should be, or indeed like I am on Strand, MA, Avo, Hog, and older ETC desks, but there it is.  Like you said, there's a whole lot more stuff to control now'a days.... all the more reason for a quick and familiar control interface.......all too easy to get lost! 

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  • Andy Scotland said:
    And the command line syntax....a bit unforgiving if you ask me

    Andy, one of the real beauties of the Eos syntax is that 99.9% of the time you can work out what to type because it follows a pattern. Consistency and logic will always win out for me over a myriad of ways to do the same thing. I strongly believe it makes the desk far easier to learn because once you have a hold of the logic you can work the rest out for yourself.

    I was a big Expression and 500 series user and I can honestly say the Eos has some of the best bits of those desks but designed around the needs of a modern lighting rig.

    Dan

  • We can only help if you give examples of what you're trying to accomplish in the end. If you said I can do X on old ETC consoles how do I achieve the the same on Eos. I can only really speak from a Strand point of view but repetitive edits on Eos can be far quicker, we just need to know what you're struggling with and then we can help.

    Andy Scotland said:

    And the command line syntax....a bit unforgiving if you ask me.

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    Can you give an example here? There is a consistent set of rules which Eos follows which helps a great deal when learning the console. You learn to do one thing and when you try and do something else it follows the same rule.

    Andy Scotland said:

      At any rate, I found that I spent a lot more time programming for an event on the Eos than I did for the same event in previous years using the same basic rig with E3's or Strand 500's. Given, I'm not as fluid on the Eos as I probably should be, or indeed like I am on Strand, MA, Avo, Hog, and older ETC desks, but there it is.

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    Sadly you only become as quick on a new console as you did on your last console when you've spent time on it. I think any Expression user walking up to a Avo, MA or Hog is going to have a much steeper learning curve on those console then on an Eos, Gio, Ion or Element.

    Learning a new console is always hard and there are no short cuts. ETC couldn't but a new OS in a familiar interface because old interface wouldn't work with modern ways of working with all the new stuff we have to control. If ETC had just developed Obsession 3 and the next Expression console in the family everyone would be complaining ETC weren't keeping up with modern technology.

    The more detailed examples of what you don't like or can't work out the quickest way of working the more we can help!

     

     

  •   Everybody sit tight!  When I have the time as soon as I am done with my current gig, I will dig out all of the old programming and notes from the events mentioned, and put together a little demo.  Then we can all put in $0.02 worth.  

  • Why ?.

    Feeling argumentative ? 

    In truth, and I mean this in all kindness, I don''t care.  I had 10 years on the Express and 3 now on an Ion.

    In my world the Ion is faster and does so much more then my Express could ever do.  

    And it's totally a moot point.  ETC is NOT going back to re-invent the wheel.  They have an immensely successful console line in the Eos family and are running with it and making it better every day.

    If it make you happy, post away, then go buy a GrandMA for your next desk.

    SB

     

     

     

  • Andy this isn't a witch hunt but you came on pretty strong without backing up your comments!

    We're here to help with a transition to newer ETC consoles and ETC are always happy to hear peoples constructive comments.

    Nick

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