MIDI notes...

Hey Guys,
I've been programming on your boards / software for the better part of 3 years and love SOOOOOO much about how the wholehog systems go about things. Thanks for that!

Now is when I switch modes though, and ask why in the world there is not a midi-note control for WH3??? This was in 2, but somehow, after many many strings of questions in these forums, it is still ignored as a feature request.

If I sound pissed/impatient/disappointed, it's only because the neglect of this feature has cause immense headaches for me and at least 2 of my colleagues at other organizations and companies. On top of that, one of my clients wants to use a solution where midi notes could be used, but because they are not in the current wholehog feature set, I am forced to look elsewhere.

PLEASE take another look at this and consider the many ways this could help bands, houses of worship, and production companies use your otherwise awesome product in new and creative ways (ableton, etc...)

Thanks so much,
Jeff Johnson
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    Hey Phil,
    Thanks for your response. Let's see if I can touch on a few things.

    Let me first say that I am by no means a MIDI master. I'm still learning much of the different protocols within midi. That said, here's some thoughts.

    I agree and realize that the Wholehog system has a wide variety of MIDI options to accommodate a wide variety of users. I appreciate that you point out the MIDI notes output capability of the console software/consoles, and that IS helpful for a wide variety of uses. I'm looking for MIDI notes INPUT more than anything.

    The fundamental difference here I guess is that most of the protocols supported are top down in nature. What I mean to say, is that there seems to be a robust bunch of MIDI solutions for situations where MSC/MIDI notes, etc can be generated from a production area or an engineer, and little to no support where MIDI is generated from a creative source (musicians mainly). SO, for instances where I would like the first cue of the lighting sequence to be triggered by a sequencing platform (the sequencer of choice for clients in both areas of houses of worship and club/theater level bands seems to be Ableton Live) there seems to be no good solution. Also, I wish there was a good Wholehog solution for being able to trigger all lighting from a MIDI sequencer so that I could conceivably pre-program much of the tour and send it out as a package.

    Finally, the ability to have MIDI notes input would allow for a variety of midi controllers to conceivably cue the console. Think of all the midi triggers out there from keyboards, to drums to guitar pedals that speak this format. As a lighting engineer I could allow control of certain parameters within my programming to be cued by these and could pull off some pretty sweet stuff.

    I recognize that MSC is a much more robust solution for this type of ask, but I don't know of many software sequencing programs that generate it. (I would love to know if other folks know which programs DO generate MSC).

    I hope this helps, and am grateful for anything that I could learn here to accomplish this set of tasks in a way that would be more accessible for a wider set of consumers of the Whole Hog productions.

    Thanks Phil and others,
    Jeff
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    Hey Phil,
    Thanks for your response. Let's see if I can touch on a few things.

    Let me first say that I am by no means a MIDI master. I'm still learning much of the different protocols within midi. That said, here's some thoughts.

    I agree and realize that the Wholehog system has a wide variety of MIDI options to accommodate a wide variety of users. I appreciate that you point out the MIDI notes output capability of the console software/consoles, and that IS helpful for a wide variety of uses. I'm looking for MIDI notes INPUT more than anything.

    The fundamental difference here I guess is that most of the protocols supported are top down in nature. What I mean to say, is that there seems to be a robust bunch of MIDI solutions for situations where MSC/MIDI notes, etc can be generated from a production area or an engineer, and little to no support where MIDI is generated from a creative source (musicians mainly). SO, for instances where I would like the first cue of the lighting sequence to be triggered by a sequencing platform (the sequencer of choice for clients in both areas of houses of worship and club/theater level bands seems to be Ableton Live) there seems to be no good solution. Also, I wish there was a good Wholehog solution for being able to trigger all lighting from a MIDI sequencer so that I could conceivably pre-program much of the tour and send it out as a package.

    Finally, the ability to have MIDI notes input would allow for a variety of midi controllers to conceivably cue the console. Think of all the midi triggers out there from keyboards, to drums to guitar pedals that speak this format. As a lighting engineer I could allow control of certain parameters within my programming to be cued by these and could pull off some pretty sweet stuff.

    I recognize that MSC is a much more robust solution for this type of ask, but I don't know of many software sequencing programs that generate it. (I would love to know if other folks know which programs DO generate MSC).

    I hope this helps, and am grateful for anything that I could learn here to accomplish this set of tasks in a way that would be more accessible for a wider set of consumers of the Whole Hog productions.

    Thanks Phil and others,
    Jeff
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