DP4000 + Hog III PC

There are two parts of this discussion in my opinion.

-Number one is that we would need to get Artnet out of H3pc. and that is very easy to achieve, its just a matter of unlocking the same amount of art net universes that you have dongles attached to h3pc. Theese days Art-net is not a feature, it should be the user that decides if he spits out dmx through 5pin connector of the widgets, or if he takes it out through art-net. I can not think of ONE good reason this has not been unlocked before. The feature is already there(on full boar, and they share the code)

-The other issue here is getting more and more important in my opinion if He's wants to stay competitive vs it´s opponents. Unfortunately the Wholehog line is not the clear market leader as it used to in the earlier days. So staying competitive is getting more and more important if HES want´s to stay in the leading group of console makers. Over the years there have risen several cheaper alternatives that more or less can do the same as the hog line in terms of features. Many of these have not been seen as a "threat" and is probably not either. However, there have been some interesting newcomers lately that should be looked out for. And in particular MA´s latest offering. The ma2 line have been very successful, and is now considered the market leader in most peoples opinion(and as much as I don´t like it, but objectively speaking-they probably have a better product than hes has, so it´s only logical that people look in their direction) In the "big" consoles class it´s probably pricing that has kept more from going for ma rather than hog, since the ma range is quite a lot more expensive. But in the wings/software/"entry" level they have been missing an alternative.. But not anymore, and this should not be taken easy upon by HES if they want to stay competitive in my opinion. the new commander wing for MAonpc is extremely competitive vs HES offerings.

-They have built a wing that would be roughly the equivalent to: one programming wing, one faderwing, 2-4 dmx widgets(depending of 8 vs16 bit parameters), One LTC widgets, pluss Midi in/through,Gpio input and 1 DMX input(so you can use any faderboard as extra faders)
-And all this is sold cheaper than One HES wing! I´m a long time Wholehog user and is the "unofficial" wholehog support in Norway for most users here.(I also used to work for the distributor in norway for a while). And this is the first time I´ve seen such a great/competitive alternative in the entry level side of consoles. Keep in mind that tomorrow´s buyers of "real" consoles(the big console lines) are the users that is looking into the entry line today.. When I started learning whole hog, there was a software available(hog2pc) and was important for my learning of the hog. later on the hog3pc came out, I bought first a programming wing and so on.. Today I work for a(read: THE ;)) leading rental house and only uses multi console setups on big shows here in Norway. It hurts me to say, but if i was about to learn a console today, I would most likely not have chosen the hog line. Norway is not a big country, so i can keep quite a good track of what is being used/sold/bought in what companies. And I must say that the new ma wing is selling in crazy numbers.. both to companies but also young programmers..

-I´m afraid that if HES does not open their eyes to the competition they will get hit harder than we would like.. I think HES needs to "answer" the competition quite soon to avoid loosing to much of their current or potential user base.
-I really hope that together with the much awaited Hog4 later this year we will see some kind of "solution" to the growing price/feature disadvantage at least I am seeing. -There´s quite some time since I accepted that my console of choice is not the undisputed no 1 as it used to be. And In business world being number two in the marked means you got be be more Interesting than your opponents, meaning: either have more/better features or be cheaper. In the important entry-level HES is unfortunately neither today.

-This post might seem a bit harsh or rude on hes´s forum, but this is only my honest opinion and i´m still very much a heavy hog user and has no plans on jumping boats. I´m just hoping that I can still be in the same type of "boat" 5-10 years from now.

There are two parts of this discussion in my opinion.

-Number one is that we would need to get Artnet out of H3pc. and that is very easy to achieve, its just a matter of unlocking the same amount of art net universes that you have dongles attached to h3pc. Theese days Art-net is not a feature, it should be the user that decides if he spits out dmx through 5pin connector of the widgets, or if he takes it out through art-net. I can not think of ONE good reason this has not been unlocked before. The feature is already there(on full boar, and they share the code)

-The other issue here is getting more and more important in my opinion if He's wants to stay competitive vs it´s opponents. Unfortunately the Wholehog line is not the clear market leader as it used to in the earlier days. So staying competitive is getting more and more important if HES want´s to stay in the leading group of console makers. Over the years there have risen several cheaper alternatives that more or less can do the same as the hog line in terms of features. Many of these have not been seen as a "threat" and is probably not either. However, there have been some interesting newcomers lately that should be looked out for. And in particular MA´s latest offering. The ma2 line have been very successful, and is now considered the market leader in most peoples opinion(and as much as I don´t like it, but objectively speaking-they probably have a better product than hes has, so it´s only logical that people look in their direction) In the "big" consoles class it´s probably pricing that has kept more from going for ma rather than hog, since the ma range is quite a lot more expensive. But in the wings/software/"entry" level they have been missing an alternative.. But not anymore, and this should not be taken easy upon by HES if they want to stay competitive in my opinion. the new commander wing for MAonpc is extremely competitive vs HES offerings.

-They have built a wing that would be roughly the equivalent to: one programming wing, one faderwing, 2-4 dmx widgets(depending of 8 vs16 bit parameters), One LTC widgets, pluss Midi in/through,Gpio input and 1 DMX input(so you can use any faderboard as extra faders)
-And all this is sold cheaper than One HES wing! I´m a long time Wholehog user and is the "unofficial" wholehog support in Norway for most users here.(I also used to work for the distributor in norway for a while). And this is the first time I´ve seen such a great/competitive alternative in the entry level side of consoles. Keep in mind that tomorrow´s buyers of "real" consoles(the big console lines) are the users that is looking into the entry line today.. When I started learning whole hog, there was a software available(hog2pc) and was important for my learning of the hog. later on the hog3pc came out, I bought first a programming wing and so on.. Today I work for a(read: THE ;)) leading rental house and only uses multi console setups on big shows here in Norway. It hurts me to say, but if i was about to learn a console today, I would most likely not have chosen the hog line. Norway is not a big country, so i can keep quite a good track of what is being used/sold/bought in what companies. And I must say that the new ma wing is selling in crazy numbers.. both to companies but also young programmers..

-I´m afraid that if HES does not open their eyes to the competition they will get hit harder than we would like.. I think HES needs to "answer" the competition quite soon to avoid loosing to much of their current or potential user base.
-I really hope that together with the much awaited Hog4 later this year we will see some kind of "solution" to the growing price/feature disadvantage at least I am seeing. -There´s quite some time since I accepted that my console of choice is not the undisputed no 1 as it used to be. And In business world being number two in the marked means you got be be more Interesting than your opponents, meaning: either have more/better features or be cheaper. In the important entry-level HES is unfortunately neither today.

-This post might seem a bit harsh or rude on hes´s forum, but this is only my honest opinion and i´m still very much a heavy hog user and has no plans on jumping boats. I´m just hoping that I can still be in the same type of "boat" 5-10 years from now.