We're upgrading to an ETC board with no existing ETC Net infrastructure in the theater. I want to do it right.

The theater I work at is looking to buy a new board.  I've convinced them to get an Ion, which is a major upgrade to the current Colortran Innovator.  I've used the Ion plenty, but I've never had to deal with the networking part of it, so I'm not too familiar with that.  I want to make sure the Ion will do what we need, and make sure we get any additional routers or gateways or ethernet switches necessary.

Like I said, we currently have a Colortran Innovator.  It has 3 DMX outputs that run to three DMX ports in our booth.  One goes directly to the dimmers (some type of Strand dimmers, not sure what exactly), the other two go to DMX ports in the FOH cove and over stage.  We currently have about 150 dimmers, 4 moving lights and 5 scrollers.  We don't have enough addresses to eat up an entire universe, but it's been pretty great having dimmers on one universe, movers on another, and scrollers on the third; it's much less cable to worry about.

Since an Ion only has 2 DMX outputs, we would definitely need a Net3 Gateway to connect to our third.  But I'm not looking to just buy what we need to make our system work right now, I want to do a little upgrade to the infrastructure to make things easier for us in the future.  I have an idea, but I'm not actually sure how the Ion works over an ethernet network.  Is it as simple as an Ethernet switch connected to the board, any gateways, and any potential future backstage ethernet ports?  Would we need any specific ETC Net3 ethernet hardware?

I'm thinking we can get a 4-port gateway and an ethernet switch.  Plug the gateway and the Ion (routed through a wireless router) into the ethernet switch, and then assign three ports on the gateway to output to three universes and leave the fourth output open for future expansion*.  If we have this setup, would it allow us to eventually install additional ethernet ports backstage, connected to this switch, and plug in more DMX gateways?

*Could we also configure the fourth DMX port to be an input, so we could run DMX from the board to the gateway and run things that way?  Would that limit us to just one universe?  I'm just curious about this part, I don't see a reason we would need to do this unless something went terribly wrong with an ethernet port somewhere.

 

Thanks for the help.

  • The Ion has a program on it called GCE (Gateway configuration Editor) which allows you to edit the function of the node.  I agree that purchasing a 4 port node would help out with adding the third universe to your system.  However I wouldn't route the Ion sACN traffic through the wireless router, more so I would recommend using a standard ethernet switch, and only using the wireless router (connecting the console to the WAN port) for the aRFR/iRFR connection.  With the Ion on the LAN side of the router, the constant sACN traffic will be transmitted by the router, slowing down aRFR/iRFR connections...  Also of note, the ION by default is set up to be the DHCP server (assigns network IP addresses), if you had the ion on the LAN side of the router, you would have to turn of either the DCHP server on the router, or the console.

    once the node is in place, you can run cat5e lines to where ever you need to run the console from and not have to reroute your DMX traffic.  Besides the nodes, no other specific hardware is needed for the design you have drawn up.

    Long story short I think you're on the right path.  Keep asking the questions!

  • If you purchased a 4 port gateway you would have up to 6 universes as there are 2 built into ion.  When we bought our Eos, we purchased a 4 port gateway.  After just a short time we wished we hadn't. 

    I would seriously consider where you need DMX in your facility. Don't purchase a 4 port gateway just because it sounds good.   I feel that 4 single port gateways, in a permanent install, is better than one 4 port.

    For ease of operation we now are running 16 Universes in our main theater.  We never come close to filling them but is actually more cost effective for us to use a single port gateway than an opto-splitter.  We did, however, put a lot of thought into our infrastructure and have POE switches throughout the facility.

    Like Glenn mentioned a network switch would be needed but it is pretty simple to configure and ETC Tech Services would be able to help you with any installation hurdles.  There are other considerations with Single port gateways, like POE. 

    I would contact your local ETC representative for information on what would be best in your facility as every venue is different,

    You can configure any port or all ports as Input or Output depending on your needs.

  • What was your reason for regretting a 4-port gateway?  Was it just that it was all locked into one place?

    We need three universes in the booth to support what we already have installed, and then there's talk of buying a handful of LED fixtures (with fine arts money, whereas the new board comes from building money) which could end up anywhere.  I just don't want to be boned when they buy 10 LED fixtures and we can only use them from the cove or 1LX because we don't have any other places to plug in.  The way things are set up now, we aren't able to easily run DMX to the floor.

    I realize that 6 universes is total overkill, but I really like the idea of a single ethernet cable that needs to run home instead of two lines of DMX as well as an ethernet cable, for when we set up our tech tables or otherwise move the board to a non-standard position.  And when it comes to cost, it looks like a single four-port gateway is more cost efficient than two doubles or four singles.

    But if we're not ready/able to run dedicated ethernet ports, we would then be forced to run a DMX line from the booth to our backstage area.  And a 100' ethernet cable is much cheaper than a 100' DMX cable.  But still, we could get additional gateways (I'm really not sure what dollar amount will cause the higher ups to start questioning every choice) with the 4-port gateway setup and still do that.  I'm mainly just thinking out loud here, preparing to send my boss a revised proposal.  I need to make sure we think far enough into the future to not waste this opportunity we have now.

  • While the node isn't 100% necessary, (an opto splitter and adjusting the addresses on either the movers or the scrollers would also do the trick).  If you're going to invest 10k in a console, thinking about the gateway and additional network ports wouldn't be a bad way to make incremental investments in your system.  One of the other benefits to the cat5 distribution and Entour (portable) gateways, is DMX when you need it where you need it.   I turned on a new HS performing arts center last fall, with all the money spent on installed single port gateways (1 per elec, each corner of the deck, box booms, and catwalks), much operating capital could have been saved by still pulling the cat5 (the cheap part) putting a jack on the end of said cable.  

    With the adoption of RDM and the fact that sACN isn't just an ETC protocol (grandMA now has it on their desks for example), I would be looking into considering how and where I could use these in future expansion.

  • what about an Ion and 2 pcs ETC Net3 2port nodes? leave one in the booth which gives you 4 universes up there. and the other 2port node to be put wherever you might need it in the future. think about POE, it's well worth it

  • Yes we lost flexibility in our configuration. 

    With 4 single port gateways you can place them where you need them. 2-port gate ways are an option as well.  As i recall the price per port is about the same in all 3 configurations, though you can purchase a 4 port and not buy all the modules so there might be some saving there.

    Say one in booth, one SR, on SL and one in beams. 

    Again not knowing your specific needs and growth plans it is hard to say.  in our current house plot we use between 150 and 250 address per electric.  and it was way cheaper to send one universe to each electric, verses opto-splitters, and allows for more growth.

  • Technically you only need a one-port Net3 gateway (yes they make these) as has been stated, the Ion already has 2 outputs.  

    That's the cheapest and simplest solution to replicate what you have existing.  

    For the future ?, that depends on where you think you are are going to expand.  If you want to future proof the system, you will want to move to an Ethernet backbone, pulling 2 of the existing DMX lines and replacing with Cat5/6, leaving one DMX to the dimmers, which can't use the Net3 Ethernet signal.  

    I'd then install as many Cat 5/6 jacks around the theater as you can pay to get installed (in conduit), with an Ethernet PoE switch in the backstage area where all the Cat 5/6 will terminate.  Maybe put a rack mount gateway in this switch rack to have the dimmer DMX come out of, instead of the Ion.  Then buy whatever flavors and quantities of 1-2 & 4 port gateways you think will work.  

    Having E-Net everywhere makes life much simpler down the road, as you just pop in a gateway and you have DMX.  PoE is as BTW, Power over Ethernet.  The e-net switch provides the needed power to the gateway's, so you don't need local AC.



    [edited by: Steve Bailey at 2:20 PM (GMT -6) on Tue, Feb 25 2014]
  • I would argue that you don't even need DMX from console.  Put a good POE switch (not off the shelf from staples) near the dimmer room and run one Cat5 to the switch from the console.

     

    The options are limitless.  I still recommended contacting  your ETC rep and explain what you are hoping to achieve now and in the future, they would have great insight.  

    The beauty of today's systems is that they can expand pretty easily and not for a ton of money. 

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