Inhibitive Subs - Can They Be At Full when Down?

As far as I am aware, there is no way to reverse the action of an inhibitive sub. The default action makes sense, if you want to take the channels out, you pull the fader down, having two different directions as an option would lead to some confusion! 

I know that the default action makes intuitive sense, but I have usergoup operators who don't understand the idea that some of the subs need to be left up for things to work. I normally just hide those inhibitives if they don't need them, but when they do, they still can't get their heads around the concept.

We do a lot of shows where I just have to hand off the console with a bunch of faders programed with various looks. We have a couple of groups who are decidedly low tech who would be more at home on a two scene preset manual console than our Ion. As much as I would love to give them a two scene manual preset board and be done wtih it ... Well, there are budgets and stuff.

I wrote my above post in a bit of a hurry, I'm sorry if it came across a bit blunt, that really wasn't my intention!

I understand your situation, you are correct the behaviour of an inhibit wouldn't necessarily make sense to users used to two-scene operation, but nor do I think the idea of pushing a fader up in order to turn lights off would either. 

That wider discussion aside though, from playing around on the offline, depending on what the situation is a potential solution could be to create an LTP Sub, with the channels in question recorded at 0 in that sub. Pushing the fader up would have the effect of an inhibitive sub. The obvious downside of this is that the sub would be over ridden when any other command to that channel was issued, but if for example it was a hazer that was tracking at a constant level through the show, pressing Go would not be sending any new commands to that channel, so the sub would stay as the latest precedence, overriding the cue stack level. Sending a Go To Cue command or any manual control of the channel would of course override the sub.

As far as I can tell this is best compromise on the situation that can be achieved, but maybe someone else has a better method!

Tom  

I wrote my above post in a bit of a hurry, I'm sorry if it came across a bit blunt, that really wasn't my intention!

I understand your situation, you are correct the behaviour of an inhibit wouldn't necessarily make sense to users used to two-scene operation, but nor do I think the idea of pushing a fader up in order to turn lights off would either. 

That wider discussion aside though, from playing around on the offline, depending on what the situation is a potential solution could be to create an LTP Sub, with the channels in question recorded at 0 in that sub. Pushing the fader up would have the effect of an inhibitive sub. The obvious downside of this is that the sub would be over ridden when any other command to that channel was issued, but if for example it was a hazer that was tracking at a constant level through the show, pressing Go would not be sending any new commands to that channel, so the sub would stay as the latest precedence, overriding the cue stack level. Sending a Go To Cue command or any manual control of the channel would of course override the sub.

As far as I can tell this is best compromise on the situation that can be achieved, but maybe someone else has a better method!

Tom  

Just get a separate 2x10 module and turn it 180° and make it all inhibitives :)