Auto Playback and LTP/Min Restore Bug

While testing my answer on another question in the forums, I discovered what I believe to be 2 bugs or 1 bug and 1 of me not understanding the desk behavior.

The bug first: If you are working with Auto Playback on. You have a sub set to LTP and the Restore value set to minimum. Set some channels to level. Set your sub. Record the cue. Manual data and sub data goes blue or green as expected. Take the sub to 0. The channel levels disappear. No manual 0. No - (dash). Just empty. Record your next q. The sub channels still display nothing. I would have expected a green 0 since the channels were taken out. If you go to cue. or look at it in blind, you will see the green 0's. So its recording the values correctly, just not displaying them. Its just odd that you see no level data at all for those channels. 

 

Bug or misunderstanding #2: This may have been covered before as now that I type this, I'm having a vague memory of there being a heated discussion about this behavior, but I can't find anything via the search box...

Auto playback is off, tracking is on. I want to go ahead and build a bunch of cues using subs / and keypad entry without dealing with being in a cue. 

I set my look. For this example, channels 1-10 at full. I record cue 1, 5 and 10.

I sneak everything.

Now I set my second look (11-20 at full) and record 2,6 and 11.

I create a whole new look with 1-20 at 0 and 21-30 at full and record q 3 only.

I go back to play my looks. Q 1 is 1-10 at full. Great, as expected.  Q2 is 11-20 at full, 1-10 are at 0. Q 3 is 1-20 at 0 and 21-30 at full. Q 5,6,10,11 are all tracked copies of Q 3

Since the console is in tracking mode, I THINK i would have expected 1-10 to stay up in q2 since I didn't give them a hard value to go out when I recorded Q2 I know I snuck the channels before recording Q2, but since those channels would be at "home", wouldn't they be considered null and therefore not recorded (or am I confused there). Then since when I recorded Q5 and 10, 1-10 had manual data, so I would have thought that the hard values of those channels would have been recorded into those queues. Same with the copies of Q 2 as they were recorded with hard values.

Is this right? If I do the above process with the console in Cue Only, I get more of the behavior I would expect.  Am I wrong to think that with tracking on, if I have manual data and record several cues out of sequence that the hard values would have been put into those cues? I know that cue only, or recording with block in the syntax takes care of all of this, but I just want to make sure I'm not crazy. 

 

Just some thoughts from a reduced functioning brain due to the holidays. 

  • First point of clarification.  Are you talking about sub masters or cue lists?  If you are talking about submasters, auto playback does not apply to subs (there is one exception to that… if you have created and mapped the sub master (with no content), raise the fader and then record the sub, the content will be released from manual and applied to the sub master.  But that is the default behavior; it is not related to the "auto playback enable/display" option in setup.

    Submaster data always appears yellow.  So I'd assume you are talking about cue lists, but cue playback faders cannot be set to restore in minimum.  That only applies to sub masters.  

    Even when the desk is in tracking mode, if you record a cue that does not involved channels used in a previous cue, Eos will set those channels out.  Is this what you are seeing?  This is expected behavior.  I think we need a bit more clarification to help any more than that.     

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