John V.
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:42 PM
Joined: 7/6/2014
Posts: 9
I like the the new Eos workspace, frame, tab system. I like to use the displays to refer back to. Let's say I'm programming an effect in live. I like to have the left monitor show a full window of live channels. I type [1][0][3][full][color palette][1][focus palette][3] and then want to apply the "figure 8 effect" but forgot which one that is. I click the add tab button and bring up the effects on the right monitor so I can figure out which effect I want to add. It takes me out of live AND clears the command line! Argh! And then, after I bring up the effects display on the right monitor, when I switch back to live, it hides the effects tab if there is any live table display in that frame. Even if I have any "displays" frames open, I can't even scroll up and down in the display without switching the tab focus to that display and taking me out of live and clearing the command line.
There's a lot of stuff to keep track of when programming and I need to be able to add or switch between tabs without erasing the command. I want to stay in live while I'm switching or configuring displays and I want to have the tabs that I selected to be visible, stay visible. Please fix these behaviors or have an option to turn them off. I would like to configure it so the only way it goes into blind is when I press the physical blind button (and the only way it goes into live is when I press the physical live button). I would like it to be when I add or select a tab, it stays in live so I can refer back to the patch, group list, intensity palette, focus palette, color palette, beam palette, preset, effect, snapshot, etc. displays while I program in live or so I can refer back to those displays and be ready to bring up levels immediately when the gaffer wants them. For example, I generally patch the show once and don't need to patch it again but refer back to it, so when patching it could just be to hit [blind][displays][patch] or whatever sequence of buttons and then when I want to view the patch without changing it I click on the patch tab.
I can just imagine spending a few minutes writing something complicated with multiple channels and parameters, only to have it wiped out because I switched one of the displays.
ueliriegg
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:24 PM
Joined: 7/5/2014
Posts: 903
i'm not sure you'll get your wish. those lists are Blind by definition.
but what might help you is either press enter to execute the command line before going to blind to look up the effect, or after you've lost your command line, use Shift+Last to bring it back. may i suggest, you also take a look at this , it's an overview over all facepanel shortcuts.
and last but not least: have a look at direct selects. they live in a control tab (not a display tab) and don't move you to blind while still having the information you need.
John V.
Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:41 PM
Joined: 7/6/2014
Posts: 9
i'm not sure you'll get your wish. those lists are Blind by definition. but what might help you is either press enter to execute the command line before going to blind to look up the effect,
Yes it would.
or after you've lost your command line, use Shift+Last to bring it back.
This only brings back a terminated command line.
and last but not least: have a look at direct selects. they live in a control tab (not a display tab) and don't move you to blind while still having the information you need.
Yes, this works, and this is the best method as it stands. But it takes longer and doesn't have the detailed information the displays have. There is also a lot of wasted space in the direct selects control. Also the direct selects don't have all the displays available; they only have channels, groups, palettes, presets, macros, effects, snapshots, and magic sheets.
Part of the problem is the fact that I spent the last 20 years using Windows computers, switching between windows and tabs and adding and resizing windows without affecting any of the contents and it's a tough habit to unlearn.
John V.
Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:34 PM
Joined: 7/6/2014
Posts: 9
Similarly, I don't like how new tabs are automatically opened and I would like to be able to turn this off. “Lock Frame” prevents any additional tabs from being
opened in the selected frame but at least one frame must be unlocked. I would like the ability to lock all frames.
ueliriegg
Posted: Friday, August 1, 2014 12:53 AM
Joined: 7/5/2014
Posts: 903
john, when you say, you don't kow how tabs are opened automatically, is this about other tab types than Live/Blind? if yes, can you describe, what you do that makes the console open them automatically? i'm not aware of a mechanism where the console opens tabs on its own (except for live and blind)
John V.
Posted: Monday, August 4, 2014 7:44 PM
Joined: 7/6/2014
Posts: 9
ueliriegg wrote:
john, when you say, you don't kow how tabs are opened automatically, is this about other tab types than Live/Blind?
No, I mean sometimes it automatically opens a live or blind table or channel view and switches focus to it, which covers what I was working on. I came up with a workaround though: On one of the monitors, create a frame and shrink it down all the way and then lock all the other frames so any new tabs open on the shrunk frame. The only drawback with this is it eats up space on the monitor because the frame can only be shrunk so small and it won't shrink any further.
