What are we doing wrong or Feature Request: Black Cue

Hi all,


I always have Problems getting a decent BlackOut cue without some LEDs changing colors while dimming down the intensity.

What exactly can I do to prevent this? I tried Automark On/Off, Block, etc. (I am on an Element 40 btw., but had the same problems with an ION, all newest software)

I also talked to several of my colleagues here, all years of experience with ETC Eos Software, they all have the same problems with Move-in-black features/automark.

Sometimes the Moving heads change posistion while going to the next black and so on.

What are we all doing wrong?

Is there a possiblity to make a softkey for us dummies that marks a CUE as "BLACKOUT" - meaning there are no changes until all intensity channel have reached 0 and only then the non-intenstiy parameters change?

Any help is appreciated....

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  • My guess is that the Non Intensity Parameters (NIP's) are not being tracked thru to the next cue. My guess is that there is a "L" in the MV column on the PSD. that means that the NIP's are moving while the light is fading. In blind if you go to the cue that is your blackout and select the channels that are changing color (moving) in the cue and hit [@] [Enter] [Out] that will pull the values from previous cue and not fade color in your move.

    To solve this in the future when you are in a cue and you make changes you what to make sure you are tracking the NIP's. If you are in cue only mode they will not track and move in the next cue if the value is different.

    When i record a blackout i usually do it in blind. I would start in the Cue I wish to blackout and insert the the cue Number you wish to be the blackout after. [cue] # [enter]confirm, if it asks, and hit [select active] [out] this will set just the intensity values to zero and track the NIP's

    If you are in tracking mode and inserting the cue in an existing list and do not want to track the intensity past the black out use the syntax [select active] [Cue Only] [out]. There are other ways to achieve the same results but for me this is the quickest and safest while people are working on stage.

    Remember the Eos family is a tracking console. the mode you are working in (Cue Only/Tracking) affects how cues are recorded and updated. Generally speaking you want NIP's to track (though not always ] I find the following syntax to be helpful when updating a cue that you and want to update intensity Cue Only while working with NIP's {All NIPs} [Update] [Track] [enter] then [Update] [Cue Only] [enter]

    Working with NIP's takes a bit of thinking about how when they move and mark and i recommend you watch this short video on how tracking works on the Eos family.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsrJ707cT0c&index=6&list=PLC95CA65C335B6376
  • Hi Ed,

    thanks for your input.
    There was a "L", so I tried it with the "@ enter Out" - after that I had a "+" in the MV column, so I have now both Live and Dark moves...
    But as far as I could try it out now, there was no change - it still flashes white (that is my special problem this time - a red background not fading out but flashing over white to fade out...)
    I use tracking mode...

    I find it a quite disturbing thought to change into Blind for every black...
    Usually we don't have much time to program, so in Live I just do it as you said - select all active and out them...
    I know how tracking works, but somehow it just won't work with blackouts.
    The funny thing is, that none of my colleagues here can make it work every time.
    Usually we try around a little bit, but most of the times we delete the problematic cues and make them new....

    Bye
    Orlando
  • sorry you are having problems still. If you send your show file i would be happy to have a look at it. Like in blind recording a blackout in live would not not create a live move unless specifically told to.
  • The underlying issue is that you've recorded unwanted colour information in your Blackout, so the LEDs change colour while fading out - because that's what they were told to do.

    To fix an existing cue, simply remove all the NIPs from the Blackout cue:
    X [Thru] Y {All NPs} @ Enter.
    - If you do this in Live, don't forget to [Update] the cue.

    Recording records all manual (red) data (unless otherwise specified).
    So in short, don't touch the colour unless you want a new colour.

    If you try a new colour and decide you don't like it, put it back to tracked values before recording/updating - eg x [thru] Y {color} Sneak Enter.
    If you Home it instead, you'll be recording Home - usually White!

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  • The underlying issue is that you've recorded unwanted colour information in your Blackout, so the LEDs change colour while fading out - because that's what they were told to do.

    To fix an existing cue, simply remove all the NIPs from the Blackout cue:
    X [Thru] Y {All NPs} @ Enter.
    - If you do this in Live, don't forget to [Update] the cue.

    Recording records all manual (red) data (unless otherwise specified).
    So in short, don't touch the colour unless you want a new colour.

    If you try a new colour and decide you don't like it, put it back to tracked values before recording/updating - eg x [thru] Y {color} Sneak Enter.
    If you Home it instead, you'll be recording Home - usually White!

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