Element - problem with using submasters with S4 Luster 2 LEDS

It's been a while since I sat at the programming desk, but I'll give this a go.

How are you recording the submasters? Are you just hitting: Record + Sub + [Number] + Enter?

I prep each sub by copying a cue that is loaded with hard zeros in each channel and each color parameter to the submaster. Then I set the sub to I-master operation. Then I set up the channels in live to full intensity and a color palette to get the gel that I want. I actually record the sub in live by using Record, then the sub bump button or by using the sequence in your question. Both methods result in a sub with the channels and colors that I've set.

So I ran into this sort of weirdness a good bit when I would want to create submasters to do whatever. When you just say record without specifying a channel list, it captures all values that are manual (and I think that are just active from a cue or whatever) into the submaster. So it'd get colors and such as well. It's basically pulling the state of whatever is active into the submaster.

What you might try instead when you record the sub masters is the following:
chan 1 thru 10 Record Sub 3 Enter

Replacing "chan 1 thru 10" with whatever channel list you might need of course. It should then only record the selected channel lists information into the submaster this way and not record hard "zeroed out white values" for color. It sounds like when you are recording your sub, it's taking the white "zero" values that are active from the cue and recording them into the sub master. So then when you pull up the later of the two subs (LTP) it over rides the first subs color information since all the channels were recorded into both subs.

So I ran into this sort of weirdness a good bit when I would want to create submasters to do whatever. When you just say record without specifying a channel list, it captures all values that are manual (and I think that are just active from a cue or whatever) into the submaster. So it'd get colors and such as well. It's basically pulling the state of whatever is active into the submaster.

What you might try instead when you record the sub masters is the following:
chan 1 thru 10 Record Sub 3 Enter

Replacing "chan 1 thru 10" with whatever channel list you might need of course. It should then only record the selected channel lists information into the submaster this way and not record hard "zeroed out white values" for color. It sounds like when you are recording your sub, it's taking the white "zero" values that are active from the cue and recording them into the sub master. So then when you pull up the later of the two subs (LTP) it over rides the first subs color information since all the channels were recorded into both subs.

Just to clarify which channels are affected by record: record (without being filtered by a filter or selective recording syntax) will take every parameter of any channel that has at least one parameter not at its home value anymore. The only exception are contributions from subs that are set to.

Thanks for the clarification ueliriegg. :)

It sounds like you only want the sub to control intensity, not color. If you don't want the sub to control color, remove the color parameters from it.
[blind]
[Sub X]
[Chans 1 thru 10 Color at Enter]

Otherwise, once you made it an I-Master sub, it will try to set it's channels' color any time you press the bump button, or move the submaster from 0.