Bug? Update cue is'nt possible when using submasters at <100%

Hi

Something "bugging" me for quite a while now:

 

During show-rehearsel I want to dim all floorlight to 50%. I made a inhibited SUBmaster for it (exclusive)

Now when I want to correct only 1 channel of that floorlight, e.g. lower the value of it to 20%, and update (or update Nontracking), EOS and ion (2.5.0) replies: can't update, cuelist empty.

When I put the subs back up at 100% there is no problem.

There is only 1 cuelist in use. Why can't I update a channel?

Workaround is this syntax: ch21 {wheel} [Update] [Cue3] [enter], but as I use a lot of parts in cues, and see different screens, it's quite a long syntax.

 

suggestions anyone?

 

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  • Not an answer to the original question, but I was thinking about the Value you want to set.

    If you want to update your cue with Channel at 20% while having the inhibit down to 50% - wouldn´t it mean, while you see the Value at 20% that the real Value of Your Channel is at 40%.

    Or is that what you wanted and i´m getting something wrong?
  • No, quite right in theory. But a bulb at 20% never puts out half of the intensity of 40%. It's not a linear mathmatic science, but a visual perception of that moment.
    And frankly i don't care on what value a fader is, or at what value I need to program it exactly. it's the visual picture that must match.
    So a syntax that would set the lights in half of their output just wouldn't get the job done, it's never math, it's perception.

    So the main question remains, and I wil start from scratch to try to explain.

    On a complete empty desk I patch 5 dimmer channels
    I program a show :

    Q1 = 1 thru 5 full
    Q2 = 5 @ 50%
    As the show is in tracking, only spot 5 will go to 50%
    Q3 = 1 thru 4 @ 80%
    End of sequence

    I make a submaster for channel 1 thru 4, inhibited, exclusive, and assign it to fader 1
    [Goto Cue] [1] [Enter]
    only ch 5 will go full on, as the fader is off.

    fader at 100%
    all lights will go on

    [GO]
    1-4 remain full
    ch 5 goes to 50%

    Now I think all of the frontlight ch 1-4 is too bright in this scene, so I lower submaster 1 a bit
    frontlight goes to 68%.
    Still, i think channel 4 is too bright in this scene, so I want to take that one more down
    [4] {wheel down} [update] [enter]

    now the desk says "can't update, cuelist empty"
    * I don't want to update the submaster, as it is fine as it is now.
    * the information of ch 4 is stored into cuelist 1, so there can't be an empty cuelist: the fact that the light is on means there was some sort of information of ch4 in the cuelist.
    * Update should track back that particular channel in the cuelist, or give options in what cuelist the channel needs to be adjusted.
    * I don't have time to type in a long syntax just to record a cue (the workaround now is
    [4]
    {wheeldown}
    [update]
    [nontrack]
    [cue]
    [433]
    [part]
    [2]
    [enter]
    , as I am in the middle of a show, and not having track of where exactly i'm in, and in what part some of the channels have been stored.
    And then again, when I specify the exact location, all the sudden the "cuelist is empty" report isnt relevant anymore, and seem to be there anyway.

    I haven't tried this specific situation, but something similar, so lets hope I got it right.
    A small thing could be that in the original show where I encounter this problem I use several submasters with duplicate channels:
    * ALL DIM submaster
    * ALL front submaster
    * ALL floor
    * ect...

    so ALL dim and ALL front have duplicates

    Hope someone has a solution to this.

    Cheers!

  • Last week I recreated the issue. Workaround is to put the submaster back up to 100%, then update, and then lower it again. This can be done during cuerehearsal, but not in live shows, so it's not really a sollution, but a bug, i guess....

    Someone some more ideas?
  • I believe this is the same "FEATURE".

    From Hans when I reported this as a bug last year: "This is a functional change/improvement and not necessarily a bug - as such it doesn't show up on our bug list that we put in the release notes. Rest assured it's still on the list. It will show up on the resolved list once we make the change. :)"

    AND "This is a known issue (SCR 30865) and on the list to address. Channels that are controlled by an exclusive sub (even if the sub isn't currently winning because of a manual value) are ignored by record. The workaround would be to lower the sub while recording. Sorry for the issues!"

    My post is at: community.etcconnect.com/.../68726
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  • I believe this is the same "FEATURE".

    From Hans when I reported this as a bug last year: "This is a functional change/improvement and not necessarily a bug - as such it doesn't show up on our bug list that we put in the release notes. Rest assured it's still on the list. It will show up on the resolved list once we make the change. :)"

    AND "This is a known issue (SCR 30865) and on the list to address. Channels that are controlled by an exclusive sub (even if the sub isn't currently winning because of a manual value) are ignored by record. The workaround would be to lower the sub while recording. Sorry for the issues!"

    My post is at: community.etcconnect.com/.../68726
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