Parameter on Fader

Hello,

 

I would like to contro Fixture parameter value by fader. Below are examples:

1. RGB fixtures (3 DMX channels). I would like to have:

Red - Fader 1

Green - Fader 2

Blue - Fader 3

Then during playback I would like to have:

1A. Fader 1 can proportionaly control Red parameter value. The same for faders 2, 3 for Green, Blue colors. It should be possible to mix color from RGB.

1B. Flash button for Fader 1 should give maximum value for Red parameter and if I release it it should release value to the background level.

 

2. I would like to have shutter parameter under fader flash button. I use CP 300 Beam where dimmer is slow and shutter is much better to do few flashes.

 

For now I recorded parameters RGB (1.) and Shutter (2.) under submasters, but the problem is that if I go up with a fader and then go back with it the highest fader position (value) remains on the stage (the same for RGB and shutter). The same with flash button. If I press it and release, then full value remains.


On smartfade or other simple console it is default fader behaviour for faders.

How to do it on ION?

 

Thanks for Your ideas.

Adam

  • Hi Adam -

    On simple consoles like SmartFade, those non-intensity parameters are being controlled by intensity handles and the behavior for intensity on those consoles (and Ion on subs, unless you change their settings) is to allow for traditional flash behavior.

    At this time, I believe Ion does not support direct parameter control on faders, nor does it support the rubberband/return on fade down behavior like Congo (which I know you are already familiar with). If you had these settings turned off on a Congo and recorded the same presets you describe in your post, you would see the same behavior of LTP parameters. I'm not sure where these are (or if they are) on the list of things to do for Ion, but I'll chat with Anne and check.

    Thanks -

    Sarah

  • Thanks Sarah... A bit more data.  You can store the individual parameter to a submaster via a selective store.  channel n red record sub x enter.  If that fader is set as a proportional master (the default), bringing the fader up fades it to the red value stored to the sub.  Bringing the fader down returns it to its background state.

     When the fader is a proportional master, the flash key works as you describe.  Brings the channel to the level stored in the sub, when released, returns it to the background value. 

    Does that help?

     a 



    [edited by: Anne Valentino at 9:42 AM (GMT -6) on Mon, Oct 13 2008] [edited by: Anne Valentino at 3:24 PM (GMT -6) on Thu, Oct 09 2008] [edited by: Anne Valentino at 3:14 PM (GMT -6) on Thu, Oct 09 2008] [edited by: Anne Valentino at 3:11 PM (GMT -6) on Thu, Oct 09 2008]
  • I did selective store.

    Now (by default) faders works, that bringing them down the color parameter value (of highest fader position) remains. Only If I record  intensity it goes down together with fader.

    I would like to make faders work like on SmartFade.

    Thanks,

    Adam

  • Adam, the intensity can come from another source.  I actually didn't give you the complete information though (senior moment!).  Right now, on an LTP submaster, the background state comes from the main playback.    It is on our list to make the background state for LTP parameters the previous value.  So, at the moment, the faders are not going to work exactly as you'd like.

    Sorry to have added to any confusion.

    Thanks!



    [edited by: Anne Valentino at 9:43 AM (GMT -6) on Mon, Oct 13 2008]
  • Hello Anne,

    Thank You for Your answer.

    Please think about walk around to make ION can manual flash RGB fixtures Intensity. It is critical to perform live show in the club.

    We bought ION to control fixtures in the club. Described problem makes that for the moment we need to use different console which is strange…Nobody thought that ION (also EOS software) can not do what little ETC brother SmartFade can. I don’t really know what to do with this situation…

    I think it is wise to find the walkaround or do some modification in software. There are reasons:
     - This is basic function in controllers
     - I need to work, but I can’t really work without it
     - I do not want to change controller

    Many thanks,

    Adam

  • Hi Adam,

    I just tried something out, let's see if this does what you want...I don't have an actual RGB fixture near me to test this out with, so I might be completely wrong.  I do see, using an LED array, that you individual control of each of the parameters.

    I am going to assume you're using 1.4.2.  If that's the case, you can do one of two things:
    1.  With your patch as it is, save your show and load it again.  Go to Displays>Patch>Fixtures.  In this, you will see your RGB fixture available.  Highlight that and press {Copy}.  You can now go to your newly copied fixture to be able to {Edit} the home values.  Change your RGB home from 255 to 0.  Replace your fixtures in patch with the new fixture
    2.  You can create a custom fixture from Displays>Patch>Fixtures>New.  Create a 3 parameter fixture with RGB.  Make sure the DMX value is the order of your fixture type.  You will not be able to delete the HSB and Intensity parameters.  Replace your fixtures in patch with the new fixture.

    Once you've done that, go into live and put Intensity, Red, Green and Blue to Full.
    [Chan x Intensity Red Record Sub 1 Enter]
    [Chan x Intensity Blue Record Sub 2 Enter]
    [Chan x Intensity Green Record Sub 3 Enter]

    When you bring up sub 1, parameter 1 is up...you can then add 2 and 3 and they will come up individually.

    I hope this works for you.  If not, let us know and we'll all try to think of something better.

     

    Sincerely,
    Kascey
    Eos Test Technician I

  • Thank You Kascey,

    I will try it and let You know. Thaks for Your support.

    Adam

  • Hello Kascey,

    Had no time to write reply, but tested and works great.

    Thanks a lot for Your hints ;-)

     Adam

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