How to program rotators, hazers, I-Que, strobe

I've got an Ion, 1.4.2 as our house console.  Typically we only use the submasters.  The school of opera is coming in this week, adn this is our first chance to write cues.

 With this comes the "toys" I never get to use: gobo rotators (twin spins, I think), hazer, fogger, an I-Cue, and a dataflash.

I'm OK on the theory of patching them in.  Experience may prove different.  I'm looking for general advice when programming with the toys, adn I have a few questions:

 Except for the fogger/hazers, channel 51 part 1 is patched to the dimmer for the instrument.  51 part 2, I select the manufacturer and model of the toy, and the address (I'm choosing the second universe, just to keep the numbers simple (that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it)).

 I need to make a Home Preset for teh I-Cue and the rotators:  Preset 999, recorded as channels 51 - 56, with the beam and position co-ordinates set to my liking.  That way, when I turn 51 to full, and hit home, the rotators will stop spinning, and the I-Cue will move to a pre-determined position.  Am I right so far?

 Programming: rotators: bring the channel up, and I've got 2 (?) encoders for the rotator: 1 for the forward gobo, and 1 for the back gobo, Yes? 

Roll the encoder left or right to change direction, and the more I roll it, the faster it goes?

How does the stobe work, regarding the DMX signal it's receiving?

 The I-Cue I figure I'm OK on.  It's for a special effect (witch gobo flying across the back wall).  I set a preset for the start position, I set a preset for the end position. Cue 25, Mark to Preset 1, cue 26 fade lamp up time 10, and move to preset 2 time 3:00.  YEs???

Would it be better to have teh slow movement cue in a second cue list, just so other cues don't prematurely bump the witch cue to its conclusion?

Can I link Cue 1/25 to 2/1 and link 2/1 back to 1/26 so that 2/1 runs, and the cue stack returns to main cue list?  Is this the best way to go?

The thing I'm not sure about in patching some of the toys, is that there are multiple options for each device, whether 8 bit, 16 bit, other options that aren't quite so readily decipherable from teh name of the device.  Any suggestions to make my choice more apparant (I haven't seen the devices yet, I'm trying to get a head start on the call this evening (and later this week).

 Any advice on the above, any suggestions greatly appreciated.

 PS. channels 1 - 16 (all my house lights) MOVE TO channel 151:  LOVE IT.  Makes repatching a cinch!  Thanks ETC. 

 

  • I've got the I-Cue patched in in less than 10 minutes (once I down loaded the manual to address the damn thing).

     That brings me to the next point:  the strobe isn't a data flash (which I can find in the library).  It's a Diversitronic, DK56Q-DMX.  Any thoughts where I find this in the library, or what other stobe would mimic the command sequence?

    Diversitronics isn't in the library that I can tell.

    Thanks again.

  • In programming the I-Cue, I recorded a preset 99 with the image at -45 adn 70 deg (on stage where I can see it, not 50/50).  I set  Settings/Home/Preset as preset 99 (I think), but typing Channel 99 [Home] [enter] returns the I-Cue to its 50/50 home, not preset home.  CHan 99 at Focus Preset 99 enter sends it where I want.

     Thoughts?

    (ion, 1.4.2)

  • >I recorded a preset 99 with the image at -45 adn 70 deg

    Never mind.  I had recorded the FOCUS Palette 99, entered the preset # in the Home field, but hadn't actually created the PRESET 99!!

     

    sigh.  This might be a long week. . . .

  • "Can I link Cue 1/25 to 2/1 and link 2/1 back to 1/26 so that 2/1 runs, and the cue stack returns to main cue list?  Is this the best way to go?"

     That is possible and will do what you want, I used that exact same syntax in the last dance show I did. The other option that I have had a large amount of success with is placing Cue List 2 on a Submaster and using it as an additional fader. 

    You will need to go into the setup>show settings> fader configuration and turn one of your submasters into a fader.

    Once it is turned into a fader, turn the sub type to an I-Master

    Load Cue List 2 onto the fader

    [cue][2][/][enter]   [load] [press both the buttons under the fader to load]

    You will then be able to use the lower button as a Go, the top button will be stop/back and the fader itself will control the output level of the cue. With this you never have to worry about one cue really interfering with the other. 

     

  • Based on the closest thing I've found to a manual for the DK56Q-DMX ( http://www.diversitronics.com/catalog/tech_sheets/tech001.html ), it appears that the Generic Strobe_Dimmer has the same layout with intensity on the first dmx address and shutter_strobe on the second.

    Yet another alternative for your second cue stack option based on your example would be to apply an execute to cue 1/25.5 to activate cue 2/1.  (I believe you'll find execute populating as a softkey once you have the cue on the command line.)

    BTW, you can actually turn a fader into a cue list without needing to go into the fader configuration setup.  

    Try this:

    1. Hold [Fader Controls]
    2. Tap {Release} soft key
    3. Tap the bump button under the fader
    4. Release [Fader Controls]
    5. Type [Cue] [2] [/] [Enter]
    6. Press the two bump buttons under the fader together


    [edited by: Tracy.Fitch at 8:56 AM (GMT -6) on Wed, Dec 03 2008]
  • Hmm.  I've got more posts here than replies . . .

    Moving on in tech week, it's not going too badly.  However, with the Apollo roto-Q rotators, I can't get them to stop rotating at 50%.  "00" is off, 01 is REALLY FAST CCW, 49 is really slow CCW, 51 is really slow CW, and 99 is really fast CW.  IF I get the encoders to actually hit 50% where stop should be (right?) the rotators keep spinning really slowly.  I hit 50.4, and the direction changes.

     The designer wants a fairly slow spin to then fade to a stop.  If I use Home (00), then it speeds up as it scrolls through 20s and 10s before it comes to a hard stop.

    Is there any way to type in the data value?  I've tried clicking on the box and typing '50', but nada.

     (Then Apollo manual isn't specifically for these ones, but the more recent version it seems.)

     thanks for any advice.

  • Andrew Riter:

    Is there any way to type in the data value?  I've tried clicking on the box and typing '50', but nada.

    You can do this from the command line.  Lets say you want to enter a value of 50 on the "gobo2" parameter of chan 54.

    [54 {gobo2} 50 enter]  note: {gobo2} is the parameter softkey which is located in the CIA.

     

    If 50% doesn't end up stopping your rotator, there are a couple of other options.  You can make a follow-on using WAIT times. ie: have the rotator fade to as slow as possible in the first cue.  In the second cue have the rotator snap to the stop value.

    Another possibility would be to write a curve.  You would then need to make a part2 of the cue in question, and apply the curve to that cue and only have the rotator in that part of the cue.  This would probably take a bit of faffing around, so I'd suggest using wait times and having a follow on cue to stop the encoder (the first example)

    Happy programming :-) 

  • BrentFJ said:
    Andrew Riter:

    Is there any way to type in the data value?  I've tried clicking on the box and typing '50', but nada.

    BRENT replied: You can do this from the command line.  Lets say you want to enter a value of 50 on the "gobo2" parameter of chan 54.

    [54 {gobo2} 50 enter]  note: {gobo2} is the parameter softkey which is located in the CIA.

     If 50% doesn't end up stopping your rotator, there are a couple of other options.. ..  ..

    Thanks Brent.   (again)  I finally had a chance to email apollo, adn they said the Roto Q was an inherited product, and doesn't stop at 50%.  they also suggested the link cue.  Do able, but considering there were a bunch of on/off sequences for the rotator, not much fun to program.  Fortuneately the designer was OK with a snap fade to 0.  I did start to use the RECALL from command for a few channel levels as we got closer to opening, which would have been a useful way, along with Copy To.

    thanks.

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