Non-sticky file name when saving outside show archive - bug or feature?

Hiya...

I wonder this every time I have to explain it in training, and it's just very much confused a person who's looking after a show running on a Nomad Mac in an art gallery, but I realise I've never actually asked:

- If you save a showfile to the console and give it a new filename as part of the save, the new filename 'sticks' - it becomes the one that appears in the top line of the display, and the one that is used by subsequent shift-update saves etc.

- if you save a showfile to a USB key, the new filename you give it is used for the save, but does not stick - the filename shown in the top line of the display immediately reverts back to the old one. 

- (and in fact my art gallery discovery is that this is not just when saving to USB as I'd always thought, but actually any time you save outside the Eos 'show archive' folder - it happened here because they were trying to save to the desktop). 

So am now curious whether this is a bug or a feature and, if it's a feature, what the rationale behind it is (-since it seems to me that you end up in a very confusing situation as to what the current showfile in the console actually is).

Thanks!

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  • This is definitely a feature. I regularly want to keep a file name the same on the console but save different backup versions on my usb drive. For example in tech weeks, I'll keep my show file named like "2025-W2 Exotic Deadly Tech JGD" but after each day my backup on my USB will be named "2025-W2 Exotic Deadly Tech JGD TUESDAY". Keeping the save file the same name on the console is helpful because it keeps a single collapsable archive in the showfile folder. 

    Other things you might want to save a different name for is if you're selectively saving a file, you can delete parts of the show file you don't want saved, save as onto your USB drive like "magic sheet & groups" but delete your super secret macros. 

  • OK, accept all those arguments, but how can you later reconcile showfile versions if the SAME showfile has a different name on the active showfile (top of screen), the console's hard drive and on your USB drive?

    Every time I do a 'big' save I want it to have a different name so I always know which version's which ('Tech Mon1 lunch'). I want to save that to the console hard drive so I can always get at it quickly if necessary, and to the USB drive (so I have a copy safe from copy spillage/computer failure issues). I want those to have the same name. 

    I guess you're argument is I can achieve that by doing what I do now - saving to the HD, then immediately saving to USB. Which is fine.

    The fail this week was describing how to do this remotely to someone on a Nomad Mac and telling the non-Eos-experienced person to save to the Desktop (to make the file easy to find). They get really confused when the show name at the top of the screen jumps back to the previous version because their concern (rightly) is that the entire showfile has jumped back to the previous version, not just the file name. I can completely understand their confusion. I think what's odd, really,. is that the 'Show Archive' folder somehow has this spacial/magic property, and nowhere else does - but if you don't know about that you don't know and just wonder why the displayed showfile name sometimes changes, sometimes doesn't after a save.

    Related, really, is perhaps that we're having to put too much information into that single file name 'field' - it has to hold the show name, our notes about the version, etc. Some of that (the show name) won't change save to save. Some of it (however we annotate our versions) will. Perhaps there's an argument that there should be separate fields for some of these things (particularly show name or venue) that live inside the showfile rather than having to be re-specified every time we go to save and want to change some of the name...?

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  • OK, accept all those arguments, but how can you later reconcile showfile versions if the SAME showfile has a different name on the active showfile (top of screen), the console's hard drive and on your USB drive?

    Every time I do a 'big' save I want it to have a different name so I always know which version's which ('Tech Mon1 lunch'). I want to save that to the console hard drive so I can always get at it quickly if necessary, and to the USB drive (so I have a copy safe from copy spillage/computer failure issues). I want those to have the same name. 

    I guess you're argument is I can achieve that by doing what I do now - saving to the HD, then immediately saving to USB. Which is fine.

    The fail this week was describing how to do this remotely to someone on a Nomad Mac and telling the non-Eos-experienced person to save to the Desktop (to make the file easy to find). They get really confused when the show name at the top of the screen jumps back to the previous version because their concern (rightly) is that the entire showfile has jumped back to the previous version, not just the file name. I can completely understand their confusion. I think what's odd, really,. is that the 'Show Archive' folder somehow has this spacial/magic property, and nowhere else does - but if you don't know about that you don't know and just wonder why the displayed showfile name sometimes changes, sometimes doesn't after a save.

    Related, really, is perhaps that we're having to put too much information into that single file name 'field' - it has to hold the show name, our notes about the version, etc. Some of that (the show name) won't change save to save. Some of it (however we annotate our versions) will. Perhaps there's an argument that there should be separate fields for some of these things (particularly show name or venue) that live inside the showfile rather than having to be re-specified every time we go to save and want to change some of the name...?

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