Ion Subs with Fire and Ice parameters

So just so I understand correctly... You have 9 Fire and 9 Ice Units. You want to make 12 subs.

So lets say Sub 1 is intensity for all of the Fire Units

Sub 2 - Red

Sub 3 - Red/Orange

Sub 4 - Amber

etc....

Sub 11 - Ice Intensity

Sub 12 - Red

Sub 13 - Green

etc....

While recording the subs, I used the following syntax.

[1] [thru] [9] {Red} [at] [100] [Enter[

Red did indeed go to 100, but it also captured  the rest of the color catagory, so if I tried to just record Sub, it would put all the other colors into the sub as well.

The solution was to then

[1] [thru] [9] {Red} [Record Only] [Sub] [x] [Enter]

This then only recorded the Red attribute into the channel. 

Repeat for the rest of the colors. 

 You are correct that all of the colors are set to home to 100%. You can set all 5 colors to 0, record a new preset with those lights and then assign that preset as your new home preset to dodge that issue. You can also duplicate the fixture type, change the home preset in the Patch if you want. 

As soon as I changed the Home Preset (and then Went to Q Out to get it to take effect), I had full control over all the individual colors with no bleeding into the other channels.

That Help?

I was so hoping that was the answer. But it did not work. I copied and edited the light patches over so that all values were homed to zero. That effectively killed any light coming up.

One of the main problems is that the intensity master for all five LED channels, besides capturing the colors as well, acts as an inhibitive sub. It counts down to zero until it hits the top where it becomes the 100% I recorded it to. It also effectively knocks out all color at that point because it effectively takes over the color channels and sets them at zero which is what that sub was recorded to do, only raise Intensity.

I have noticed the problem with my Nexera instruments as well. I created an intensity master for the lamp and separate faders for CMY.If I turn up, say, Cyan at the same time as the lamp, I may get cyan. but if the lamp fader hits 100% first, it remains white. The cyan has to hit 100 first. It is almost like the subs only react one at a time for all of my DMX lighting. The subs for regular lighting all play together just fine.

I am just not getting separation from differing attributes of these instruments. I am obviously missing something coming from an Insight 3 background where all these items were in their own channel. It made this fairly simple.

I have even looked into the subs themselves to see if something is wrong there. I can't find anything out of place and I have switched up a lot of the attributes in case (progressive to Intensity master) HTP to LTP just to see how items would react. No joy.

If you can figure out where I misstepped, please point me. I am glad to follow. It just seems I have wandered into something that I am making too complex.

I'll send my show file along. It's my first whack at getting things the way I want with my new Ion and I can use the perspective.

As I continue to look at the problem, I think that I am actually recording the color I want at 100 and the remaining colors are actually being recorded at 0. So as I raise the expected color, it starts the other colors at 100% and then "inhibits" them to zero as the fader goes up. So one problem is definitely isolating the color attributes so that I am not recording the unneeded at any level.

I have another problem with each sub cancelling the other, such as the Nexeras I have.  The intensity sub will cancel the cyan, the cyan will cancel the magenta, etc. These faders have to play together to combine intensity with one to two dichroics. This is reflected in some way in the Fire and Ice but I can't separate the concerns there.

To record just one colour (in this case the Red of Channel 1) of any fitting (Selador or otherwise), you would need to use the syntax [1] {Red} [Record] [Sub] [x] [Enter].

If you already have the subs, to remove the unwanted parameters: [Blind] [Sub] [x] [Enter]    [-] [Red] [At] [Enter].

Hope that helps -

-luke-

To record just one colour (in this case the Red of Channel 1) of any fitting (Selador or otherwise), you would need to use the syntax [1] {Red} [Record] [Sub] [x] [Enter].

If you already have the subs, to remove the unwanted parameters: [Blind] [Sub] [x] [Enter]    [-] [Red] [At] [Enter].

Hope that helps -

-luke-

Whew!

Thanks to you both. By using both bits of advice I was able to find all the strange parameters that had been recorded into the subs, eliminated them, and put in what should have been.

The patch also needed tweaking. Once I figured out what I needed, a clean copy with only those changes finally broke me free.

I will retire to the padded room for awhile now...