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Cue lists and NPs

I have so far only run 3 shows on our new EOS console, and I've slowly been working out those little 'why the *bleep* did my console just do that?' But to no avail, one little issue still remains that I cannot find any information on anywhere:

We are a roadhouse venue, with many live music type shows being run live. We have 2 sets of top lights, each with their own scroller, for each area. So that when one group is down, I can change the color with the color picker, then crossfade between the two submasters when needed. However, while the color remains a manual value, but no longer is actively selected, pressing back on a cue list will cause the scrollers to change their color value. Pressing go causes the scroller colors to rise in value, and pressing back causes the colors to go down, usually straight to the first O/W frame.

This happens with all of the cue lists I have tried: House lights, moving light looks, cyc light looks. And in each is simply the required channels. I also had the same problem with changing the LED cyc light colors manually, which is why I now run them with as a cue list.

What am I missing?

Thanks in advance!

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    NIPS run in LTP regardless of state of cue list.  My work around for this is to write very specific cue list or subs, that only have the desired attribute in them.  Scrollers tend to work best in a cue list; LED parameters tend to work better as a sub.

    Here is what you need to do:  select the channel.  Modify the attribute.  Select the channel again, and select the modified attribute.  Record Only Target.

    Chan 1 blue at full <Enter> Chan 1 blue record only sub 1 <Enter>

    Running live events requires some advance setup time; this is how I have found it easiest to control.

     

  • 0 in reply to pwiegand

    Thanks for the info, I will have to look at doing it this way. I knew when purchasing the console that it's strengths would be in running cued shows, but I didn't expect it to require so many hoops to jump through when running shows on the fly.

    It is too bad that NPs are always LTP, even when the only commands they are being sent are from manual control.

    Thanks again for the help.

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    I don't have scrollers, but run 95% of my shows live off subs.  I guess the question I'll ask is: why have cue lists?

    Would it make sense to run the scrollers manually off the Direct Selects or colour palettes?

    (Assuming you have a touch screen): punch up group [Top Light A], and choose colour palette R64, then run submaster up.  Pull the other sub down, punch in [Top Light B], palette R26, and swap faders again.  I'm not sure how cue lists will help.

    I'm still trying to find the best way/get comfortable to run par can chases off of subs, or use direct selects live.

     

    Andrew Riter

  • 0 in reply to DSchuster

    It is too bad that NPs are always LTP, even when the only commands they are being sent are from manual control

    I agree with you. I put up a post a while ago asking if there could be a way to assign selected LTP parameters to HTP to facilitate running a show (with scrollers) live off subs but have not heard anything.



    [edited by: andrewt at 5:34 PM (GMT -6) on Wed, Oct 6 2010]
  • 0 in reply to Andrew Riter

    So I tried using the colour palettes, and it turns out that it seems to work the best.

    However, I have recorded a cue list with just intensity paramaters for our house lights, but every time I push the back button, all manually selected non-intensity paramaters regardless of how they were selected, revert back to 0.

    I understand that non-intensity parameters are always LTP, but why then, do they not assert their dominance when the cue list is advanced forwards, only backwards?

  • 0 in reply to DSchuster

    The basic behavior of the desk is that only move instructions are executed on normal go commands.  So, if you have a cue list with only intensity, and then set manual values for NPs, advancing through the cue list(s) via go will maintain those values.

    There are exceptions to this rule.  Out of sequence cues will clear any manual values - unless they are overrides to channel data coming from other cue lists. So, Go to Cue 5 will release all manual values..... unless one of those values was a modification to another cue list.  That is unless, of course, that channel is also involved in the cue list that cue 5 belongs to.  

    Out of sequence cues include:

    Cues placed into pending manually or via a link instruction.

    Go to Cue operations

    Back functions

    Hope that helps.  

    a

     

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