Intensity Palettes?

Is there a way to use an intensity palette and still see the actual levels. I want to use a palette because I have to transfer levels to several different cues every day.  I have made a macro do transfer the levels but since this is exactly what a palette is used for I figured let us use it. The problem is that the channels only reference the palette and do not show the actual levels. I can not tell the designer what the levels for the channels are during the actual show. Is there a setting or a way to have the channels still show the intensity and have a demarcation that it is in a palette?

  • If you make the IPs 'Absolute' then when you put the channel at an IP the channel will show as a percentage (it'll also be absolute.) 

    Absolute pops up as a soft key when you are in the IP tab. 

     

    HTH,

     

    Andrew

  • Andrew's method is good, but will mean that you no longer reference the IP when you record a cue. This may be OK, but if you want to use referenced data throughout your cuelist it's not so good.

    If you want to view the actual levels behind the IP reference you can hold down the Data key to display the values. Or, if you keep the 'About' window open you'll be able to see the absolute values for the selected channels there.

     

    Graham

     

  • Yes I am labelling the palette. My issue is that when the designer is asking what is channel ? at I have to be able to tell them. By default the ion has the palette # as a reference. I think that it would be better to have the percentage present and have the reference as part of the tile data.

  • I will have to try that later. I am sure that will suffice. Still it would be great to have the info in the tile by default.

     

  • If you were to label the Palette "IP75" for 75%, and enable the setting to Display References, would that help solve the problem? Re-labelling an IP is easy...

  • Labeling the IP with the level is useful in a busking situation or when using the IP's for quick programming via touch screen, (I have done this when using by type IPs) but I think in the OP's situation he may be dealing with an IP that has different levels for different channels.

    -Todd

  • That is a good idea, but I am looking to use the IP more as a focus point. I have several keys that need to be adjusted everyday depending on who they are lighting. I want to use a palette and update the palette and then be done. I have around the issue by creating a macro that pulls the levels from a reference cue and copying it to the cues that I need it in. A palette would theoretically do the same thing.

  • So here's a crazy thought-

    • make a dummy channel in your show- not patched to anything useful
    • build your IP's and record, including the dummy channel in each IP
    • name them in a meaningful way - "joe's key", "bob's key", "betty's key"
    • build a macro to update your cues that recalls the IP with absolute values, and then recalls same IP for the dummy channel as a referenced value.
    • this way you can see the label on the dummy channel, but the other channels will have absolute data

    Would that work for you?  You would still have lost the association to the IP for the channels with absolute values, but there would also be a reference label for you to quickly see what IP you pulled the values from.

    Of course, this is probably not saving much work if we're talking about modifying a lot of cues every day...

    If it is more important to always have the actual values visible without having to hold down the Data key, I would give this a try.  If you just want to update one IP and be done, but can live with holding down the Data key when necessary, then do it that way- it is a lot less work.

    -Todd

     

     

  • Wow that seemed complicated. My work around went like this.

    We always set the levels for the same channels during the morning using say cue 10.

    I adjust the block of channels and update cue 10

    Then in blind I run my macro

    macro= cue 1 thru 5 + 15 <enter> (channels) <recall from cue> 10 <enter>

     

    This will pull the levels from cue 10 and put it in all the cues that I need.

    This has worked for me. If I could use the palette I would just have to reference the palette in all of these cues and update the palette and be done.

     

  • I interpreted your situation as perhaps a show with a different host (out of a group of hosts) for each episode and each host has "their" levels already set.

    I see that you make adjustments every day and don't necessarily re-use them, so you are not choosing from already pre-defined setups. 

    In that context, my "workaround" is really too complicated and doesn't make sense, so... let's just pretend I didn't post it... :)

    -Todd

     

     

  • Not sure if this has been addressed as this thread is a few years old; but I had the same question lately and I kind of came up with a different solution that might be relevant to someone else.

    I store all my 'intensity palettes' as cues on a separate cue stack. for ex. I run lights for a mega church and I store all my intensity for front light for the band on cue 900/1 and the intensity for the sermon look on cue 900/2, than i just have a macro for each look. in my case the macro looks like this:
    1-119 recall from cue 900/1 sneak enter clear command line.

    Essentially its a similar idea as the intensity palette being that its referenced data and then i can just update the look in cue 900/1, this way i get to keep one "palette" if you will, while still getting to see real intensity values in the Magic Sheet

    I know this doesn't fix the whole issue in the original post "and have a demarcation that it is in a palette" but with Magic Sheets you could at least have some sort of color coding.. IE lekos with a red outline are in use from cue 900/1 of course the likeliness of a light being used only in one look is probably 1 in 1000.

    You could also address a fake dimmer, and the value of that channel could tell you which cue list that your data came from. Ex. when channel 500 is at 10 its from 900/1 and if channel 500 is at 20 its from 900/2 etc...

    This is i think the same idea that tdrga was mentioning, however i found that a different cue list helps as I've had tracked data interfere with the local cue in the past.

    -Chris
  • You can now Latch the Data key so it always displays the Absolute values. This maybe the best solution for most people.
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