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    Jeff Toussieng
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ION cues in subs

Two parts in this question.

I am new to ION.  I am used to using a console that has the ability to record looks stacked on top of each other on each fader.  When that fader is raised all I have to do is tap the bump button and the next look plays.  I can tap as fast or slow as I want and it will continue to advance stack by stack, over and over and over.  That fader can be set to reset to stack 1 each time it is brought to 0 or to remain at the last look played back.  I can also tap another fader bump button while one fader is already up and it will flash to that second look then when I release the bump it will snap back to the one already playing.  Because of that I can keep fader 24 (example) up all the time as a "between songs" look so that when all other faders end up turned off 24 will automatically be playing.

The console has a total of 24 faders with ...# pages.  I seldom to never used that feature in the theatre setting.  In the theatre I recorded cues and ran it like the ION, using the GO.  I ALWAYS used the bumps for concerts.  Having literally hundreds of pre-recorded looks I could run the show strictly from that and never need to make changes on the fly.  All I needed to know in advance is if the band songs were slow, med or fast and I could plan on what to play back based on that.

Soooo now with the ION I know it does not have that ability technically, however I understand I can just record cue lists on each fader and that should take care of that in a similar fashion. 

My first question is am I on the right track?  Can I just make a boatload of different cue lists and store them each on different faders then play them back by raising that particular fader and tapping them to change them.  I assume I also need to make proper settings on the bump butttons.

Second question is because I will always be all over the place playing back looks in concerts, should I run the console for concerts in the Cue only mode rather than Tracking and keep Tracking for Theatre.

Third question would be how to put cue lists on faders.

Opinions are great and I'm all ears.

  • Cue lists with zero counts, then a Link from the last "step" cue back to the start cue, seems like what you want.  Bottom bump on a sub works as GO.  (Cue, XX, Link (softkey), Cue, XX, Enter)

    No, it will not function quite like the "other" console, especially as what the fader is doing is replicating the master fader pair - I.E., the bottom bump button is GO, the upper bump button is Stop/Go Back, with the slider is functioning as the manual override for both up and down segments of the cue.

    Ion will not reset to the first cue in the stack without toggling thru all the cues.  The fader only provides manual over-ride

    You can load add'l faders with add'l cue stacks and run them concurrently.

     

    Loading cue list to a Fader, note the terminology as a Submaster resides on a fader as desired.

    Press Fader Controls

    Press and hold the Release button as you hold both buttons of the Fader where you want a cue list.  This clears the fader as a Sub.

    Type "Cue, XX, Enter, then press both bump buttons on the desired fader.  That fader now has that cue list.  

    Repeat for other faders.

     

     

     

     



    [edited by: Steve Bailey at 12:09 PM (GMT -6) on Wed, Oct 12 2011]
  • Cue Only or Tracking shouldn't matter for playback, it is strictly an editing function. You might find it useful to use tracking mode, especially for moving lights in this scenario; but make sure you fully understand the implications of that before moving forward. (cue only is 'safer', but tracking can make your life a whole lot easier if you understand what it does)
  • in reply to Steve Bailey

    b4 getting too deep and far I created just 3 cues and followed your instructions, putting them on fader 1.  So far so bad.  Yep they advance forward and backward with go and stop/back but can't see how to shut them off without gotocue out or zero, etc.

    Also can't seem to determine exactly what the actual fader really does.  sometimes the cues come up full intensity and sometimes they come up at zero.  At that point i bring up the fader and it brings the int up to full but when i back all the way out to cue zero they reset everything and keep the shutters open.

    Actually I do a gotocue out and everything resets.  I then bump the cues a few times and then stop back until it gets to cue zero.  They then reset with shutters closed.

    If I bring the fader up while they are running then back down then stop/back to cue zero they reset but leave the shutters open.  I bring the fader up and the shutters close.  I bring the fader off then tap for cue 1 and they go into position at zero int. and cue goes to manual in red.  I bump each cue and they advance but shutter stays closed and cue 1 remains red manual.  Seems I have to bring up the fader then advance back to cue 1 for the shutter to open and manual to clear.  Then I can't shut them off without gotocue again.  Ehhhhhhhhhh.

  • in reply to Jeff Toussieng

    The nature of the desk is as a cue playback desk.  Thus it has the GO and a Stop/Go back button for the primary cue playback fader (replicated by the two bump buttons on the fader wing)

    Should you desire manual control of a cue transition, the faders are provided.  As described in the manual: "The potentiometer is used to manually complete the cue transition for all parameters. If the fader is operating in a paired mode, the left fader controls the intensity upfade and all non-intensity
    parameters, while the right fader controls all intensity downfade actions."

    When you use a fader on wing the single fader does double duty and provides simultaneous control of the up and down parts of the cue transition.  Thus the only way to back out of a stack is Go to Cue.  

    In truth, I'm not seeing a method to replicate what you do on the other desk.  If you had/have touch screens, I'd be creating presets instead of cues in a stack. I'd them use the faders as inhibit subs to control level, using the presets as the assorted steps of the cue. Gives you more variety as you can change the sequence by varying the presets pressed.

    Touch screens make this desk much better as a busking console.

     

  • in reply to Steve Bailey

    Hi Jeff,

    Not in front of a console at the moment, and this isn't something I've really done a lot with, but I believe you can "off" that fader. It doesn't reset it to Q 1, but it should at least release anything controlled by that handle.

    Tap Fader Controls. Then Hold down the softkey for "OFF" and press load (both buttons) on the fader you want to Off. You can also muck around with the fader properties of the Cue list. Double Tap [Cue] and select the cue list you are working with. Press the "Fader" Softkey and it will toggle through some options that may or may not work better for you.

    Also, I believe that some of this behavior is changing with the next software release, so things may get better for you.

    HTH,

    -Ben

     

     

  • in reply to travisres

    Sooo. changing it to intensity master now allows the fader to control intensity which is so far a 100% gain.  I know the next release is coming out with some great changes and looking forward to that.  I also hear everyone is trying to make the EOS family a bit more concert related and that's also great.

    Thanks and i'll play around with your suggestions as well as the possiblility of using presets.

  • in reply to Steve Bailey

    Im going to try the presets however another suggestion came in.

    Cue Cue to open the list.  select the cue desired.  tap the fader softkey (S5) to switch from intensity master to manual master to proportional master then enter to save the desired selection.  I changed my one test cue list to intensity master and now I can run any cue on that list basically in blind as long as the fader is down and use that one fader on the wing to control the intensity, just as can be done with subs.  That's a big part of my solution.  Yep cues don't reset when the fader is zeroed but that's no big deal at all.

    Thanks/

  • in reply to Jeff Toussieng
    I think you can make a macro that can you link to from the last cue in the stack that would release that playback & thus dump the cue list as you wish. Not in front of the desk to verify that.

    (A warning though - I had an issue last weekend where I was doing something similar with a cue list set to be an intensity master using 1.9.8 beta and had some issues where lights faded up as I released the cue list whilst the fader was down)

  • in reply to jrgoss

    Macro would be interesting but not as big a deal as not being to conrol intensity with the fader.  Beta thing kind of scary.  Has that been addressed with ETC?

  • in reply to Jeff Toussieng
    Nobody has responded to my post in the beta forum. Perhaps it works that way in 1.9.6 & I was doing something wrong. Hard to say until I get a response.

    It didn't negatively affect the show because I didn't release the playback until after the show was over. (I had built a loop that ran continuously & was only brought up when needed during the pre-show, intermission, & post show)

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