How to save a "look" and combine saved "looks"? Groups? Submasters? Intesity Palettes? Something Else?

I'm an ETC Insight 2x user of 17 years who just recently switched to an Ion. I'm trying to find a way to use my new Ion to construct light cues in a way similar to how I've done it for the past 17 years.

Here's how I would do it using my Insight 2x:

I'd work area by area--so I'd start with area A, adjust the relative levels of front light, back light, etc.--achieve a terrific look for area A, then save it as a Group. Then I'd so the same for each area--achieve a good balance, a standard look, and save it as a Group. Same with color washes, cyc lights. everything.

Then, when it came time to start writing cues, I could very quickly and efficiently build them using these Groups as building blocks. It worked great.

I'm trying to find a way to use this same method on an Ion and failing. I can no longer do it with Groups because (for reasons I cannot fathom) Groups on an Ion no longer record intensity information, so I can't recall a "look," I can only recall channels.

This past show I tried using Submasters to do this (just recording and recalling them using the keypad), but that was a disaster. Cues wouldn't save properly, I found it impossible to clear out channels (Go To Cue 0 stopped working), I'd hit Enter to save a cue and random lights would pop on. Insanity. As soon as I stopped using Submasters the insanity stopped, but I had to construct cues channel by channel, intensity by intensity, and it took forever.

I only vaguely understand Intensity Palettes, but the fact that they're referenced data worries me. (I don't want to end up changing all my cues when I change just one.)  Am I worried about nothing?  Is this what I should be using?

It seems like there MUST be a way to do something as simple as what I want to do--save a given look to be recalled later and combined with other such saved looks to create a cue--but I'll be darned if I can figure out how.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Peter Pauze

Denison University Theatre

 

 

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  • Hi Peter,

    Presets or palettes will do what you want, but you will need to tell it when you don't want the references.  Presets allow any parameter type (exactly like Insight Focus Points) but palettes only allow one category of parameters.

    If you want the reference in the cue, just use the syntax [1] [at] [Preset] [5] [Enter] or [1] [at] [Intensity Palette] [5] [Enter]. 

    If you want the levels without the reference, then you need to add the [Make Absolute] softkey.  For example, [1] [at] [preset] [5] [Make Abs] [Enter].

    Ann

  • Hi Ann.

    Thanks for your swift and helpful reply.

    Since all I need to save (at the moment) is channel and intensity info, it looks like Intensity Palettes is the way I should go.  I'm a tad confused by the syntax, however.  If I've saved a bunch of looks as Intensity Palettes, and I wanted to bring up, say, Intensity Palettes 2, 6 and 12, would the correct syntax be:

    [Intensity Palette] [2] [+] [Intensity Palette] [6] [+] [Intensity Palette] [12] [Full]

    And then, if I liked the way that looked, save it as a cue:

    [Save as] [Cue] [125] [Make Absolute] [Enter]

    Or is the [Make Absolute] softkey inserted somewhere when I first call up the Intensity Palette?

    Thanks for your guidance.

    Peter

     

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  • Hi Ann.

    Thanks for your swift and helpful reply.

    Since all I need to save (at the moment) is channel and intensity info, it looks like Intensity Palettes is the way I should go.  I'm a tad confused by the syntax, however.  If I've saved a bunch of looks as Intensity Palettes, and I wanted to bring up, say, Intensity Palettes 2, 6 and 12, would the correct syntax be:

    [Intensity Palette] [2] [+] [Intensity Palette] [6] [+] [Intensity Palette] [12] [Full]

    And then, if I liked the way that looked, save it as a cue:

    [Save as] [Cue] [125] [Make Absolute] [Enter]

    Or is the [Make Absolute] softkey inserted somewhere when I first call up the Intensity Palette?

    Thanks for your guidance.

    Peter

     

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