1.9.8 clarifications, please

Hi Andrew,

A few answers possibly...

1. Are you applying the discrete time to the source cue as normal or the reference cue, if it's the source cue this should work (at least I have had it work during the betas)

2. It should be [Shift] + [Press Encoder Wheel] rather than move I believe.

3. [The behaviour of [Shift]+[Full] is as intended, when you release the keys the channel goes out, the same applies for the [Shift]+[Out] combination but in the reverse.

6. Yes, that is the intention of independent. It forces it's priority over other playbacks, subs etc.

7. Probably a stupid question, do you have any links on cue 5?!

9. Timing disable should latch on by pressing [Timing Disable] + [Load] (for the playback you desire it on), the new [Timing Disable]+[Go] is in addition to this.

Hope that's of some help!

Cheers

Dan

dsmurfin said:

1. Are you applying the discrete time to the source cue as normal or the reference cue, if it's the source cue this should work (at least I have had it work during the betas)

Aha.  Thank you.

2. It should be [Shift] + [Press Encoder Wheel] rather than move I believe.

Aha. thank you.

3. [The behaviour of [Shift]+[Full] is as intended, when you release the keys the channel goes out, the same applies for the [Shift]+[Out] combination but in the reverse.

Funny.  The command line says "Flash On", but the lamp and channel come on but don't flash.  Sometime the channel locks on, and sometimes it doesn't.

6. Yes, that is the intention of independent. It forces it's priority over other playbacks, subs etc.

I was just surprised it didn't work on when the fader handle was out, and that channels jump instantly to its control.  I'm guessing it's not used in Live setting much.

7. Probably a stupid question, do you have any links on cue 5?!

Yes.  In this case, 4.1 time 20 is [Followed Time 40] to 4.2 time 20 [Followed Time 40] to 4.3 time 40, [Followed time 40] to 4.4 etc.  I had thought that Minus Links includes Follows and Hangs. Is that incorrect?

9. Timing disable should latch on by pressing [Timing Disable] + [Load] (for the playback you desire it on), the new [Timing Disable]+[Go] is in addition to this.

Aha.  thank you.

Thanks Dan.

Anyone else from ETC able to respond on the remaining points?

Andrew Riter

Hi Andrew,

3. As Dan pointed out above, this is intended behavior.  However, it is a known bug that releasing Shift before Out or Full won't return the channel to its previous level.  This will be fixed in the next release.

4.  Hmmm.  Investigating that one.

5. I'm not sure what's going on in this one -- was the Browser not popping up before?

6. I believe this is expected, as independent rolls back to the previous control source.  If you'd like them to remain fully under the sub's control, you'd want it to be Shielded instead.

7. Also investigating that.

8. I don't believe that it is possible to park a cue currently, but I could be mistaken.  It may be possible under the Group Cue x syntax, but I don't think a cue is eligible for parking.  Also, it would only be a channel selection tool (i.e., wouldn't recall that cue's levels if not currently the active cue).

EDIT for #8:  I've found this in the 1.7 Operations Manual.  Investigating.

Hans

Andrew Riter said:

7. Probably a stupid question, do you have any links on cue 5?!

Yes.  In this case, 4.1 time 20 is [Followed Time 40] to 4.2 time 20 [Followed Time 40] to 4.3 time 40, [Followed time 40] to 4.4 etc.  I had thought that Minus Links includes Follows and Hangs. Is that incorrect?

Just realised what is going on... since 1.9.8 the console now automatically runs follows/hangs when you do [Go To Cue] X [Time] [Enter]. The {Minus Links} softkey is there if you want to prevent this happening. If you do [Go To Cue] X [Time] X [Enter] the links aren't automatically run, so there's no need for {Minus Links} hence the error.

Cheers

Dan

Andrew, looking into the column resizing issue.  At the moment, the CIA is always included in the snap record.  We are looking to add a substantial amount of additional granularity to this in the future.  

Cue n Park enter is not supported syntax, but group cue n park enter is.  Will have the documentation checked on this.

Thanks much!

a

Just realised what is going on... since 1.9.8 the console now automatically runs follows/hangs when you do [Go To Cue] X [Time] [Enter]. The {Minus Links} softkey is there if you want to prevent this happening. If you do [Go To Cue] X [Time] X [Enter] the links aren't automatically run, so there's no need for {Minus Links} hence the error.

Cheers

Dan

There is a conflict with the associated paperwork, then.  In the 198 release notes, it states on page 4 that (paraphrasing):

"Goto Cue  5 Time Enter will use that cue's time, AND trigger any links.  Use Minus Links to just get to that cue."

Goto Cue 5 Time MinusLinks Enter (as spec'd in the release notes) doesn't work.

Goto Cue 5 Enter will take you to that cue, without links, but in the Time specified in Set-up.

Goto Cue 5 Time [enter length of cue here, once you've looked it up] Enter will do what the Release note implies, but you need to physically insert the correct time into the command.

I'm guessing either a bug, or a bug in the writing of the manual / release notes.

Andrew Riter

Hans.Hinrichsen said:

3. As Dan pointed out above, this is intended behavior.  However, it is a known bug that releasing Shift before Out or Full won't return the channel to its previous level.  This will be fixed in the next release.

5. I'm not sure what's going on in this one -- was the Browser not popping up before?

6. I believe this is expected, as independent rolls back to the previous control source.  If you'd like them to remain fully under the sub's control, you'd want it to be Shielded instead.

7. Also investigating that.

8. I don't believe that it is possible to park a cue currently, but I could be mistaken.  It may be possible under the Group Cue x syntax, but I don't think a cue is eligible for parking.  Also, it would only be a channel selection tool (i.e., wouldn't recall that cue's levels if not currently the active cue).

EDIT for #8:  I've found this in the 1.7 Operations Manual.  Investigating.

Hans

3.  Shift On, Shift Off:  I guess I'm quibbling with the description vs the intention vs the name.  It temporarily turns the channel on or off, but it doesn't FLASH.

5. CIA in Snapshots:  I don't recall the CIA always popping up when I recall a snapshot.  I find it annoying now when I lose half of the cue list or channel page each time I recall one.

8. gotta love trying to keep manuals up to date (that's one of the reasons I brought these up, trying to keep my in-house short manual (now up to 18 pages) up-to-date.

Thanks everyone.

Andrew

Hi Andrew,

You're absolutely right! This should work as documented, and it certainly did at some point during the beta, but it's not now!

Anne, [Go To Cue] X [Time] {MinusLinks} is throwing an error, you can only use {MinusLinks} with a straight [Go To Cue] X {MinusLinks}, but this doesn't/shouldn't run the links anyway.

Cheers

Dan

At the moment, when entering a "compound" go to cue instruction, the time button must always be entered last.  Time is looking for a number or an enter immediately following the command.  We can write this up to make more flexible in the future.  But as long as you always remember to use Time (if needed) last, the syntax will work.

Will review the documentation and correct in the 1.9.9 supplement.

thanks much!

a

Ah, yes!! That will be useful for a certain LD we have in this week...

Cheers

So,

goto cue 5 {minus links} time enter

will use the cue's time, and not follow any link, or follow/hang commands.

Thanks.