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Trying to record three subs using a Chauvet TriTour led fixture; sub 1 led red, sub 2 led green, sub 3 led blue.  Reason: teaching a middle school class very basic lighting including very basic rgb blending.  Have a middle school student sitting at the console so don't want them controlling led's using the ML controls virtual wheels or selecting the fixture and using the encoders (to much for them to grasp).  I want them to be able to bring up sub 1 to show the whole class red in the fixture, then bring down sub 1 and up sub 2 to show them green, then bring down sub 2 and up sub 3 to show blue and off again.

Next I want them to bring up sub 1 and slowly add sub 2 to show how the colors change while adding green to red.  I take them through a couple of other combinations and end with all 3 faders up showing white; ugly agreed, but at least to show them basic rgb = white.

I've tried all the settings for subs I can think of but no matter what setting they don't respond in that fashion.  They seem to all have individual control.  I know i'm missing something.

I don't want to switch the console to channel mode because I have other demonstrations on subs for other things.

Any suggestions?

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    You're running into the fact that eos family desks (and actually most multi-parameter fixture native desks that I've run across) record the color mixing parameters all together when they record any of them. 

    The easiest way to tell the console not to do that is via a selective store when recording the sub.  That means you could select the channel and then the individual parameter you want to include (from the tiles in the CIA or in ML controls depending on the desk) and then record the submaster. e.g. (assuming you're already in live and dealing with channel 5's current state)
    Live: [5] {Red} [Record] [Sub] [1] [Enter] 

    Since you've already created the subs you can also go into blind edit for that sub and remove the attributes you don't want.  e.g. (assuming you've already gone into blind and chosen sub 1 to edit)
    Blind Sub 1: [5] {Blue} [+] {Green} [@] [Enter] 



    [edited by: Tracy.Fitch at 10:27 AM (GMT -6) on Sat, Mar 10 2012]
  • 0 in reply to Tracy.Fitch

    To add to Tracy's post, you also have to be aware of the intensity channel.  While you can control the three different colors via three handles, bringing up the red handle won't actually output any light unless the intensity parameter it up as well.  For your purposes it might mean adding a forth sub for intensity, or simply parking the intensity channel up for the duration of the demonstration.

     

    -Tim

  • 0 in reply to Xander

    Coupla things:

    I recorded both an individual sub with intensity only then three subs with red, green, blue on each.  Still brings up red, green and blue individually but does not ADD green to red, or ADD blue to green, etc.

    I recorded red, green and blue on individual subs including also intensity on each sub so I didn't have to have an individual intensity sub and got the same problem.

    As I watch the spreadsheet, bring up red and red goes to 100.  Start adding green and red goes down proportionally as green is being brought up.  A cross fade of colors.

    I tried as many combinations of ltp, imaster, background, etc. choices as I could come up with in the sub list and could not  get the subs to add/mix rgb using any setting.

    Something is still missing.  Ehhhhh

  • 0 in reply to Jeff Toussieng
    Sorrry didn't mean to suggest that as the answer. It sounds like you are recording all the color information into each sub. You need to make sure that you only have the Red or Green or Blue parameter recorded. you can either selective record them or go into the sub in blind and select the other values and @enter them. By recording all the color attributes in each sub they step on each other. Hope this helps
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  • 0 in reply to Jeff Toussieng
    Sorrry didn't mean to suggest that as the answer. It sounds like you are recording all the color information into each sub. You need to make sure that you only have the Red or Green or Blue parameter recorded. you can either selective record them or go into the sub in blind and select the other values and @enter them. By recording all the color attributes in each sub they step on each other. Hope this helps
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