ETC ION - Syncing Music with Light Cues - Midi?

So I have a show coming up in a week, and I was wondering if it is possible to get a usb to midi cable and plug it into Ion's midi in to be able to sync a song with a midi track. For example, we have cues already made for certain points in the song, but would it be possible to make the midi go to the next cue at a certain time while that midi track is synced up with the song?

Thank's in advance. If I'm in the wrong place to ask this, sorry!



[edited by: APhamX at 10:11 PM (GMT -6) on Tue, Apr 17 2012]
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  • Hi there,

    The Eos family has two methods of triggering cues from a form of MIDI input - MIDI Show Control (mentioned above) and MIDI Time Code (hinted at above).

    MIDI Show Control

    For a description on what the Eos Family sends and receives, see this wiki article: Understanding the MSC Commands Eos Family Receives/Transmits

    If Eos is receiving MSC, each Go, Sub bump, Macro, or other action would have to be programmed at the show controlling device (aka not Eos) and fired at the appropriate time. Eos then responds immediately by executing the command.

    (For the sake of thoroughness -- If Eos is transmitting MSC, each action (listed in the manual and wiki article) that the console does will be transmitted immediately out the specified MIDI port. As of 1.9.8, you can also have it output a custom MIDI string via a Cue Execute flag or via a Macro.)

     

    MIDI Time Code

    MIDI Time Code is a stream of time values coming into the desk either through local MIDI ports (Gio/Ion/Element) or a Net3 Show Control Gateway (all Eos Family consoles). The console can learn a show control list that tells it what to do at specific times.  In contrast to MIDI Show Control, this doesn't require a lot of programming at the show control device, but requires some time on the Eos Family console to specify which cues and other actions happen when.

    There are two programming options. First, there is a Learn function. When you are in Learn mode for the event list, it will record the action (pressing the Go button, firing a macro, etc...) and the time stamp when it did it.  When you play the timecode back again, it will execute it exactly as you did it before.  The second way to do this is manual entry in the show control list.  This is also incredibly useful for editing timing once you've done your initial pass using the Learn function.

     

    In terms of software to do this, I don't have particular recommendations.  As has been pointed out, QLab is a popular option of Mac, but it is only on that platform. I think SFX has the capability to do most of these things, and there are other software packages out there.

    Hope this helps as an overview of the options! Let us know if you have questions.

    Hans

  • I was thinking about doing macros, however I was afraid that if we do not sync it PERFECTLY in the beginning of the song, then all the light cues would be off, thus me wanting to send data over midi which is synced with the song. However, I have still no idea if I could output midi via usb to midi to the light board and it would know to set cue and go to next cue at certain times. I mean I have all the cues and times of the song where the cue starts already.

    I have adobe audition CS5 and Sony Vegas. I'm having trouble just taking this all in atm. 

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  • I was thinking about doing macros, however I was afraid that if we do not sync it PERFECTLY in the beginning of the song, then all the light cues would be off, thus me wanting to send data over midi which is synced with the song. However, I have still no idea if I could output midi via usb to midi to the light board and it would know to set cue and go to next cue at certain times. I mean I have all the cues and times of the song where the cue starts already.

    I have adobe audition CS5 and Sony Vegas. I'm having trouble just taking this all in atm. 

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  • If you have the proper software that create the MIDI code and the USB to MIDI cable/device then you got the equipment! Now the fun of making it work:) 

     

    My suggestion for proper syncing would be to have the cues auto follow, and have midi trigger the first cue in the series. AND manually trigger a dummy 'oh ***' cue second or third in the stack.  Do you have this series of cues in their own cue stack? You have 99 cue stacks available, ya know? I'd put something this important on it's own stack with a fader made into a playback master for it. REAL EASY to do, very helpful to have such important cues out of main stack. I know there is a way to have a cue in the main stack that triggers a different stack, haven't experimented with that. I think it would be an external link kinda thing, might be a macro.

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