Sub levels are up when console turns on

Hello All,

Thanks for the replies. I have attempted all suggestions and haven't been able to solve the problem (I thought the Deep Clear would do the trick but not so).

I noticed that it didn't matter which Fader I assigned to Sub 1. It still returns to being Full when the Board gets turned on with the Fader at 0%. I decided to delete Sub 1 from the Sub List Display. The problem went away. However, when I create a new Sub 1 from scratch, the same problem occurs (even if I have no levels recorded in Sub 1). The Sub has the same attributes as many other Subs but it's the only one that has this reaction. I have copied Sub 1 to Sub 99, loaded both into different faders and still only Sub 1 is overriding the fader. 

I also noticed that if I have Sub 1 not assigned to any faders, it still goes to Full in the Submaster Display.

I'm definitely stumped.

As far as the wing, I understand now why it doesn't power down. I'm just surprised that there is no shutoff command thru USB when using a separated power supply.

Thanks again for any help. 

Baffled by something.  If you have no channels recorded at a level in Sub 1, how do you know Sub 1 is outputting ?.  Are you seeing a channel level in yellow ?.

If you have levels for channels in yellow, do an About and list that/those channel(s) to determine what sub(s) they are recorded into.

Possibly it's not Sub 1 that is driving levels ?.

As well, go into Setup - Show - Show Setup - Fader Configurations to to see if a sub with those channels is mapped to a virtual fader, that is maybe on in a different page ?.  It is possible to have a sub mapped to more then one fader, as BTW.  

In theory, doing a Delete - Sub - 1 thru 300 should clear all, with 300 being the maximum amount of subs the console supports. 

Baffled by something.  If you have no channels recorded at a level in Sub 1, how do you know Sub 1 is outputting ?.  Are you seeing a channel level in yellow ?.

If you have levels for channels in yellow, do an About and list that/those channel(s) to determine what sub(s) they are recorded into.

Possibly it's not Sub 1 that is driving levels ?.

As well, go into Setup - Show - Show Setup - Fader Configurations to to see if a sub with those channels is mapped to a virtual fader, that is maybe on in a different page ?.  It is possible to have a sub mapped to more then one fader, as BTW.  

In theory, doing a Delete - Sub - 1 thru 300 should clear all, with 300 being the maximum amount of subs the console supports. 

Steve,

When I have no channels recorded to Sub 1 (basically an empty Sub), there is no output and no yellow tiles. However, when I look at the Submasters Display, I notice that in the % column the Level for Sub 1 is at 100%. 

This only happens at Startup. It remains that way until I manually manipulate the level.

I have also checked to see if the Sub has been mapped to a Virtual Fader and it is not. I checked all 30 pages.

The other interesting thing is after deleting Sub 1, I type [Sub] [1] [Enter] to create a new one and the Sub % is at 100. Once I type [Sub][1][@][Out], it operates normal until I restart the console.

There is a ghost in the machine.

Julian,

Does this happen with one showfile only, or with any showfile?

What happens if you do a File>New then record a new Sub 1. Do you get the same behavior?

If it is related to a specific showfile could you attach the file here?

Thanks

Graham

and you wouldn't happen to have a startup macro?

Sounds like a Startup Macro is telling Sub 1 to go to full. That would result in everything you are seeing.

-Tim

There is definitely no Startup Macro.

This is interesting though...

As suggested, I created a NEW show file from scratch, Clear reset Subs 1 to 1, deleted all Subs created leaving all faders mapped and then created a new Sub 1 with levels. So far so good. I restarted the board and everything was still acting normal. This made me conclude that the show file I had was corrupted in some manner. However, when I loaded the original show file back, the Sub problem went away.

So now everything is back to normal with the original file, even after restarting. No strange behavior. No ghost.

Is it possible that since I never mapped all faders it could have resulted in odd Sub behavior? But even after Resetting the Console System, it didn't correct the problem. I didn't think mapping all faders was necessary. 

I must have done something at some point to make the Sub act the way that it did. I know that as I was familiarizing myself with the board I was checking all the options a Submaster could do. At some point, the Sub behavior started and I couldn't figure out why it kept going to Full. Thinking that Deleting the Sub would remove all attributes, I then create a replacement and it still behaved like the deleted Sub. This only happened to Sub 1 and no other.

Well this Noobie will keep an eye on this one. I'm glad the issue went away. Thank you all for your suggestions. 

Julian

Was this sub ever an Inhibit ?.  Level of 100 is normal for that state and I wonder if the Sub page level just never cleared.  

Interesting that you mention that. I did, at one point, make Sub 1 an Inhibit Sub but that was short lived. I understand that Inhibit Subs default to 100% so it would seem that it retained that command in the Sub. 

I'm still scratching my head over this. 

Well, FWIW I have seen this oddity when I had a sub set to inhibit, then deleted, then re-recorded to additive and saw the 100% value in the Sub List.

I think that deleting again dumped the value.  

I cannot recreate the issue on my Basic file with the OLE, so no clue.

Steve,

it's great to hear that I'm not the only one who ran into this. 

Thanks