Writing EffectSub vaules into Cue - ION 1.9

I have our most common effects loaded on EffectSubs.

I would like to create a look with the effects activated via the effect sub at a partial rate (instead of full), so I move the sub slider to where I want it.

If I then record a new cue and disable the effect subs, and go back to the previous cue, and then press go, the effects playback at 100% instead of the rate I had them set to when I recorded teh cue.

I am trying to avoid having to manually configure the rate/size per effect per cue I want to record it at.

Am I missing something simple in my record process?

 

  • while running the cue, and with a clear command line, you would tap the [effect] key to open the effect status window.  In there you can adjust the rate, as well as size and other things if it is a linear effect, and update your cue.  

  • Thanks. I am familiar with doing that, but if I am running effects across 100 cues at different rates, that is a lot of manual work to have to update the effect rate per cue.

    I would like for it to save the current rate/size as selected by the effectsub level when I record that cue.

    We are building a new cue list 2x a week, so anything I can do to figure out how to reduce the amount of manual changes made, will save me a lot of time I already dont have each week.

     

  • Currently there is no great way to streamline your process (That I have found).   There is an effects rework coming up - though the timing is very TBD.  In terms of using subs with effects to create looks here are a few things I'm hoping to see

    1) Ability to use "Make Manual" and other tools to capture the effect data and it's overrides

    2) Provide a place to store all that information that is referenceable - like in a preset

    3) Ability to freeze an effect or series of effects and extract the absolute data so it can be recorded as a static look.

    If you have other needs/thoughts on effects now is probably a good time to make those requests.  



    [edited by: PatrickBoozer at 4:51 PM (GMT -6) on Tue, Mar 26 2013]
  • I would vote for this. On my grandMA console you can have an effect that has a specific size/rate value, or you can reference those values from a fader. On that console I have an effect fader for intensity and one for movement. I point any intensity effects (strobe, intensity chases) to one effect speed fader, and any movement effects (ballyhoo, circle) to a second effect speed fader.

    Then like the OP requests, I can fire off a bunch of effects simultaneously, and run the effect speed faders up and down with the mood.



    [edited by: aaronfessler at 8:40 AM (GMT -6) on Wed, Mar 27 2013]
  • It sounds to me like you want the EOS Effects to behave like the Avolites Shape Generator.  -Then again you may not have any AVO experience.

    Currently EOS Effects allow you to create an Effect (of various types) and then copy it an infinate number of times.  Each copy may be modulated and lebeled discretely.  The AVO version allows you to pick say Dimmer Pulse then modulate and record it per cue (or Playback, Memory, etc).

    I do like the EOS way better.  It may be a bit mor labor on the front end creating so many versions of the same Effect, but you always know which one you are looking at.  And it is super easy to replace it with a different version.

  • I would vote for all of Patrick's suggestions - big time.  As I've said in the past, think about the seemingly simple request to "make channels X thru Y do what they were doing in Cue Z" if those channels were selected in a specific, non-numeric order, and then had an effect applied to them which then had both a rate and size change.

    I thought the GrandMA solution to this problem was pretty good.  Originally, it thought about effects the same way as EOS, but now, when an effect is stored into a cue, a new effect is created with all the rate/size/grouping changes plus the selection order.

    I would also vote for Aaron's suggestion of effects and cuelist rate masters - they would make busking or dance parties SO MUCH BETTER on EOS.  I hate eating up 2 handles with "slow" and "fast" versions.

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