Need Fixture Profiles

Hi there,

Some multi-cell control is currently supported for pixel mapping, but it is not currently available for regular desk control. 

There are a few workarounds, involving fixture profile editing:

- One of the better options, given the current limitations, would be to create a custom profile for Mode 5 on the 436Z (and mode 4 or 5 on the 419Z) that contains the first 9 parameters. This would be the first channel, and then patch the needed number of generic RGB or RGBW LED fixtures following that (essentially breaking up the fixture profile across multiple channels). Among other things, it would allow you to use effects, and have a color picker for each of the color rings in question.

- A second option would be to copy and edit the existing fixture profile, changing the color parameters so that instead of Red, Green, Blue, Red, Green, Blue, etc..., you would have Red, Green, Blue, Red 1, Green 1, Blue 1, Red 2, etc.... This has a disadvantage in that only the original Red, Green, and Blue would have a color picker available, and that color effects won't run as well. It would be contained in a single channel, however.

Thanks!

Hans

Hi there,

Some multi-cell control is currently supported for pixel mapping, but it is not currently available for regular desk control. 

There are a few workarounds, involving fixture profile editing:

- One of the better options, given the current limitations, would be to create a custom profile for Mode 5 on the 436Z (and mode 4 or 5 on the 419Z) that contains the first 9 parameters. This would be the first channel, and then patch the needed number of generic RGB or RGBW LED fixtures following that (essentially breaking up the fixture profile across multiple channels). Among other things, it would allow you to use effects, and have a color picker for each of the color rings in question.

- A second option would be to copy and edit the existing fixture profile, changing the color parameters so that instead of Red, Green, Blue, Red, Green, Blue, etc..., you would have Red, Green, Blue, Red 1, Green 1, Blue 1, Red 2, etc.... This has a disadvantage in that only the original Red, Green, and Blue would have a color picker available, and that color effects won't run as well. It would be contained in a single channel, however.

Thanks!

Hans

Ok let me see if I'm understanding correctly:

The ION can't do this at this time so we have to o a work around. Ok cool I can do that.

The work around:

1. Create my own "parent" profile that controls the first 9 of PERSON 5
2. Create another five RGBA "child" profile that would each correspond to the five RGBA rings (could be the same profile but patched 5 times)

Control workflow would be:

• Master Intensity, focus, zoom, strobe, etc would be controlled by the "parent" profile
• Color intensity would be controlled by the "child" profiles.
• Place "child" profiles in a group/s to control them all as one unit = full wash

This would be a little more complicated than it needs to be but is doable.

Now, Can I keep the current profile that controls all the rings and make RGBA profiles that over patch the address that are in the current profile?

Can two channels control one address in a HTP type of situation? (Sorry if that's a dumb question. I'm still new to all this.  I've come from a rig with 8 par56 and a 8 channel controller to a rig with 16 movers and 30 RBGA pars on an ION)

Now one more question:

Are there any good readings/videos on how to make a custom profile that you guys suggest?

thanks

you got the first part absolutely right, and the control workflow as well!

an address can only be controlled by one parameter, so no to your question (there's an exception regarding pixel mapping, but let's ignore that for the moment). so you would have to edit the profile: patch the original to some address, then in Patch, there's softkey 4 or 5 called {Fixtures}. you'll get a list with all fixtures already patched. navigate to your original, Copy it, end then Edit the copy (there are buttons at the lower end of the CIA to do that.
you'll see now a list with all the fixture's parameters, with their names and in the third (?) column with their associated DMX channels within the fixture footprint. now delete all parameters that are NOT part of the "parent" fixture: the rows with DMX 14 to DMX 29 (for the 436Z). you'll replace the deleted ones (which are the rings' colors) later.
return to the patch window
patch the parent to where it needs to go to, let's say Chan 11
then Chan 12 Thru 15 would be Type = Generic > RGBW 8bit. that's one channel per ring.

does that make sense?

Yes. that makes sense. Editing them is easier than I thought. I thought it took coding but it's in the GUI so that is fine.

A single 436z fixture would look like this in the patch

Channel 1  = Parent profile with the first 9 parameters

Channel 2  = Child RGBA Profile

Channel 3 = Child RGBA Profile

Channel 4 = Child RGBA Profile

Channel 5 = Child RGBA Profile

Channel 6 = Child RBGA Profile

Each fixture will now take 6 channels to fully control it.

Will the intensity level in the parent profile still be used or will that have to be controlled by the group { channels 2 thru 6}  intensity? I'm assuming the group will have to do that and that the parent profile is basically just the Pan, tilt, and zoom now?

Would I loose my strobe and shutter by patching it this way? (That could be just a trial and error to find out)

Just to let you'll know:

The steps we talked about in this thread worked wonderfully. they really look cool now.

the strobe and intensity are still controlled by the parent fixture. And just like a regular ML wash light is RED value is at 50% then the intensity cant force it into 100%

Works good.

thanks for the help guys.

Hey just found out that EOS supports (from my understanding)  multiple color zones.

Just create a costume fixtures and add the color zones. its working offline. I'll test it tomorrow and let you guys know.

As long as the individual colors are assigned to the correct DMX values in the fixture this should work. In theory

EX: the Chauvet Q-Wash 419 has 3 sets of 16BIT RGBW zones arranged in rings on the fixture.

When setting up the colors you just set the colors like this:

Red

Green

Blue

White

Red 1

Green 1

Blue 1

White 1

In the fixture profile looks like this:

This is what it looks like in the ML Controls

Opps. Hans had that solution already...