Feature Request: "GO" should not change the default Q List.

When dealing with multiple cue lists, I think it is imperative that a programmer should be able to "choose" or "select" a default cue list for the command line.  Hitting "GO" on a different cue list should NOT change that.

I am in a situation with a local programming conventionals on an ION while I deal with the movers on a Ti.  Now, he's not a bad guy but he doesn't programme for a living and I want him focused on the designer and not the stage manager, so I'm hitting "GO".  His list is Q1/ mine is Q2/.  Q1/ is the master list and triggers Q2/.  I would like my command line to stay on Q2/ until I tell it otherwise.  Every time I hit "GO", my command line goes to Q1/.  In the 5 hours of the evening rehearsal, I must have typed Q2/  a hundred times.  Yes, I could write a macro for that but I shouldn't have to.  I don't have to on any other console I programme.  It felt as though half of my time tonight was spent getting back to the correct cue list.  All that has to happen is when I type Q2/ enter, the command line should stay on Q2/ until I type Q1/ enter.  It doesn't have to be a new button.  It doesn't have to be a new softkey.  It wouldn't even require new code, just silencing whatever code links any GO button to the default command line cue list.

Related to that, when changing the command line cue list, the console does not "sync" with the current cue.  For example:  I'm sitting in Q12 on both lists.  I want to fix something in List 1 (a bad mark, a partial block, whatever).  I type Q1/ enter.  Hit blind.  I'm looking at Q1/ 0.1 (the first cue in that list).  Or, I hit go, want to change something in my list, hit Blind, realize I'm looking at Q1/ hit Live, type Q2/ enter, hit Blind, and I'm looking at Q2/01. I have macros that allow me to switch partitions and cue lists and I've had to add two "Live" commands (one at the beginning and one at the end) in order to make sure that when I hit Blind, I'm actually going into the blind state of the cue I'm sitting in on stage.  Otherwise it is far too many keystrokes over the course of a programming session.

Thank you for your consideration on this.

TH

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  • Have you tried different User ID's? Not in front of a console right now, but that should sort your problem. Also, correct me if I am wrong, Update always defaults to the origin of it's value. So if you update a Intensity for a moving device on list 2 and you are in list 1 it should update to list 2. You also can assign a different Cue list to different user is Fader config..... As far as your second problem goes, why do you need to go to blind to fix a partial block Q Cue#X Block Block will do that. Also you can change lists in blind as well. Play around with {Preserve BlindCue} If all that fails , move the lists around and make yours list 1 and his 3 or whatever and when you finished plotting and he is operating the show move them back around.
  • Hi, Thanks for the response but I have tried most of this and, to with respect, everything that you have suggested are really work arounds to avoid the problem. I should be able to type Q2/ enter and my command line should stay on Q2/ until I tell it otherwise. I know how to change lists in blind. I'm not new. I've been on this console for almost 5-years. I may not know all of the tricks but I know a fair few. This is an issue that has bothered me since day 1 on the console and this past week of plotting has finally up'd my frustration level to the point where I felt I needed to make a request. We are under different user id's and, yes, the software is smart enough to update the correct cue list, which is in fact both wildly impressive and absolutely the only way we were able to continue with this arrangement. However, if the ION updates before I can get my movers marked, I'm forced to go into blind to fix it. Even if I do get my movers marked, if he updates before I do, the console "drops" the mark command. I have to go to blind and re-mark everything. But of course, when I hit Blind, I go to Q1/ and not Q2/. You actually bring up another issue that I have. With the ION as a different user, it should not be updating my channels. User 1 should absolutely NOT have any affect on any active channels User 2 has. "User" should be changed to "Viewer" since there is nothing isolated about the users except for screen views. Partition is no help, either. The ION has to be in Partition 1 (ALL) so that the designer can see all of the channels while I am in Partition 4 (MLs). The big reason for this is the designer wants to mirror the ION and see tombstones and I often need to see table. When he updates, he updates everything. I have tried Preserve Blind and I will never use it again. It doesn't preserve the cue you're in in live it preserves the last cue you looked at in Blind, forcing you to have to type Q#/# yet again because Blind Blind will still leave me in the wrong cue list. Having just looked in Nomad, I don't believe you have that kind of control in Fade Config. I have also tried messing with assigning playbacks but they are a temperamental and capricious beastie and I find them to be completely unreliable. You cannot predict which random playback the console will move a list to when you start moving those lists on and off of the master playback. That said, I really don't want to get into my issues with playbacks on this thread. The partial block thing was just a type of example. (I have a macro for that, too, by the way.) I could have been more specific in saying I got boned when, in the middle of the run, the designer wanted me to go into blind, go to the next cue, and pull out a couple of movers. Since I had hit "GO", when I hit "Blind", I'm in Q1/. So I have to then type in Q2/# and then select the movers but by then, the cue is gone, the moment is past, and I look like a total flat because I seemingly couldn't execute a simple Blind request. After posting my original, I have built macros to take me to either Q1/ blind or Q2/ blind, thus making the Blind button extraneous. I also built Q1/ and Q2/ macros to help control the command line. I have to execute one of those four macros first before I can do anything on the desk, which is an extra button push that, as I'm sure you are well aware, is not always welcome when trying to make fast changes during a run. Thank goodness that I'm on a Ti for this production with its wonderful extra macro buttons and extra wide direct selects. I have no idea how I would have been able to do this on a regular EOS. Not without a fairly sizable x-keys rig or an external touch-screen as my third monitor. I think you misunderstood my second issue. if I'm sitting in Q 23 and execute the Q2/ blind macro, I'm looking at Q2/23. If I use my Q1/ macro while in blind, I'm looking at Q1/0.1 unless I go back to Live and then trigger the Q1/ blind macro. It doesn't matter what I went into Blind to change, I have to spend time and keystrokes to navigate to get to the cue list I want and I shouldn't have to. I'm not switching which list is the master two days before First Preview, even though both lists have all of the same cue numbers. Rehearsal time is too valuable and my designer's reputation is too big for screwing around with that kind of thing. Nor should I have to. I think the better question to ask here is what is the advantage of having the console decide which cue list should be the command line's default cue list because I just don't get it at all. The programmer, not the console, should make these kinds of decisions. Its a big reason that I prefer to use a different console if I am programming a show that has to use any more than 3 running cue lists. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I hope I was able to clarify where this request is coming from and why it is important to me. Cheers! TH
  • sorry about that. when i hit reply, the website completely reformatted my response
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