touring cues

I am doing a drama tour. We use what each venue has for lighting and I add in whatever is needed to complete the show. Therefore since each venue is different we have to reprogram cues at each one.

All of the cue numbers and the text associated with them remain the same, just the content changes. However of course even some of that stays the same depending on what we need to add. I try to keep the channels the same for the added fixtures so those fixtures will always show up the same.

Of course I also have to repatch each show however as mentioned, I try to keep the channels the same whenever possible.

So my question is what is the best way to update each cue? I have been using update however I know show files can start getting polluted with stuff that is no longer used but still present somewhere.

Not sure if deep clear is a suggestion after the cues are updated.

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  • As someone working in a roadhouse with a rep plot, we do these shows all of the time.
    Unless you're using a different manufacturer's console that day, there is no reason to take that show file and use it at the next venue.
    Always keep a master file and update each venue from that.
    This will allow you to keep closer to the original vision and like you said, each venue has different fixtures. Using that copy at the next venue is not a step forward. That how artefacts get perpetuated.
    . . . . Unless the actors change the show week to week.
    (Does that help any?)
  • Pretty much behind the average person when it comes to learning new things quickly so I apologize that I have not caught on to these suggestions. What I am hoping for at least is that I have explained my situation properly.

    Every venue is the exact same show "Godspell" and all the same performers and all the same props. The special effects I use are always mine; Geyser for volcano, Chauvet Hex for waterfall coloring, rotating beacon for Star Wars video, etc. Therefore all those items come on and go off with all the same colors when necessary for every presentation in every cue they are used and they keep the same channels.
    What changes is how to light the performance areas. They might only have conventionals; pars, lekos, etc. and I have to add my movers and led's for color. They might have led's but not covering all the areas so I have to add mine. They might have sufficient lighting to do everything and all I need to do is add the effects like Volcano, Waterfall and Beacon.
    Each cue contains my note like a specific line by a performer or start of a song including the script page number for reference which is my reference when to activate the cue. Again, that never changes. There are always the same number of cues and at the same locations in the script.
    So I think what I am getting so far is I need to make a show file with all 50+ cues, recording each cue with absolutely no fixture data, only the text of each cue and the cue number and that would be my base?
    If that is correct then not sure where to go from there. Get the cue look up then either do a update cue or record cue and when done save that show file as that venue name, then I would always have the "base" file for the next venue to start from?

    I apologize but I'm not familiar at all with proportional park and don't follow what multi-part patching would do in my case.
  • Ok I think what people are suggesting you do is assuming you have a complete show file that works for one venue. Use this as your base show for each future venue.

    Then when you go to another venue, dont touch the cues, just go to the patch and repatch the channels to the actual fixtures in the venue. ie just type in the actual DMX address and fixture type for the fixture you are going to use.

    In some cases you might have one channel in the show that you want to drive 3 lamps at the venue, that's where the multipart comes in say you have channel 162 patched to one fixture in your standard show, you can type 162 Part 2 @ xxx and then 162 Part 3 @ yyy to patch all three lamps onto the same channel.

    The comment about proportional park is you can tell the desk to scale the intensity when sending to a fixture so if the fixture is a lot brighter than the one in your base show you can scale it down.

    You'd then need to deal with colour issue eg if they are all conventionals with fixed gels you may have some work to do if the show is all LED.

    Does that clarify it?
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  • Ok I think what people are suggesting you do is assuming you have a complete show file that works for one venue. Use this as your base show for each future venue.

    Then when you go to another venue, dont touch the cues, just go to the patch and repatch the channels to the actual fixtures in the venue. ie just type in the actual DMX address and fixture type for the fixture you are going to use.

    In some cases you might have one channel in the show that you want to drive 3 lamps at the venue, that's where the multipart comes in say you have channel 162 patched to one fixture in your standard show, you can type 162 Part 2 @ xxx and then 162 Part 3 @ yyy to patch all three lamps onto the same channel.

    The comment about proportional park is you can tell the desk to scale the intensity when sending to a fixture so if the fixture is a lot brighter than the one in your base show you can scale it down.

    You'd then need to deal with colour issue eg if they are all conventionals with fixed gels you may have some work to do if the show is all LED.

    Does that clarify it?
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