Color Effects Help Please.

Hey Guys,

Last week, I had 25 LED pars in the air and enough free time to really get my feet wet with Relative Color Effects.  The fixtures were hung in a five by five grid so with different groupings and offsets, I was able to do really fantastic (to me anyway) effects.  Let me say that 25 fixtures doing a hue-sat roll in a spread grouping looks killer on the the color picker.  I ran out of time before I figured this one out though-  How do I make concentric rings of color rolling in the fixture grid.

I have a 5x5 grid, channels 1 through 25.  Group 1 is 1>5+6+10+11+15+16+20+21>25, creating the outer ring.  Group 2 is 7>9+12+14+17>19, the middle ring.  Group 3 is 13, the center unit.  I want the colors of these channels to roll from group 1 the group 3.  How do I do this without writing it into cues.  Is the answer a parameter-based step effect?  I tried that once but it didn't work and I didn't have time to figure out why.  The manual doesn't  delve into non-intensity step effects at all.  Anybody know anything?  Badger?  Forsstrom-Jones?...

Thanks,  B 

PS  I think it would be really cool if I could see the Color Picker with active channels at the same time as the Effects editing screen.  Is that currently possible?

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  • Ideally I'd want to do it with an absolute effect, where you'd create three groups and then in the command line do, [Group 1] + [Group 2] + [Group 3] [Effect 301] and with Grouping 3 set in the effect have it follow your group selection. As it stands now, that's not the case. It does however follow your channel selection, just not group selection, but I digress.

    If you make a step based effect you can do it. Just specify the parameters you want to use, and use Presets or Palettes for your On and Off states.

    p.s. - Forum gurus - it's annoying that I have to actually put in html tags into my post to get line breaks to happen on my posts made on a mac. :-)



    [edited by: jabadger at 1:55 PM (GMT -6) on Tue, Dec 23 2008]
  • I tried to select Color in the parameter column but I think it didn't let me.  Then I tried to pick red, green, and blue, but it looked like it was only letting me pick one at a time.  That may have been due to the limited column width.  And I didn't realize you could put palettes in the On/Off column.  You didn't find that in the manual, did you?

    I like your idea about group selection, that would have worked- if it worked like that.

    Thanks

  • Just tried on OLE using step effects.  Works a treat.  You can use CP's for on and off states, so you can have a blue background, and then have red pulsing from outside to in (for example)

    I had some success by using relative and absolute effects by putting them into cues.  It's a bit smeggy - make your effect a grouping of 1 and then make 3 cues with follow times to suite.  In the 1st cue, put Grp1 into the effect, 2nd cue put Grp2 into the effect, etc.  It works, but as I said it's a bit smeggy.  You can get a RGB pulse  using this method - make sure hue values are at 0.  In the effect, make a positive ramp.  Should work.....

    Another thought I just had if you wanted to do pulsing colour effects would be to record presets with the colours you want:

    eg - Pr1: Grp 1 @ CP1, Grp 2 @ CP2, Grp3 @ CP3

    Pr2: Grp 1 @ CP2, Grp 2 @ CP 3, Grp 3 @ CP 1

    Pr3: Grp 1 @CP3, Grp 2 @CP1, Grp 3 @CP 2

    Use the presets in the actions in Absolute FX... set FX grouping to 1.

    For ETC: while I was playing around with relative FX, i noticed that once hue hits 360, it stops.  Is there any chance that the hue could "wrap around" to 0 and continue counting upwards?  Also, any idea when grp + grp will treat each group as a whole in regards to effects?

    Cheers - BFJ

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  • Just tried on OLE using step effects.  Works a treat.  You can use CP's for on and off states, so you can have a blue background, and then have red pulsing from outside to in (for example)

    I had some success by using relative and absolute effects by putting them into cues.  It's a bit smeggy - make your effect a grouping of 1 and then make 3 cues with follow times to suite.  In the 1st cue, put Grp1 into the effect, 2nd cue put Grp2 into the effect, etc.  It works, but as I said it's a bit smeggy.  You can get a RGB pulse  using this method - make sure hue values are at 0.  In the effect, make a positive ramp.  Should work.....

    Another thought I just had if you wanted to do pulsing colour effects would be to record presets with the colours you want:

    eg - Pr1: Grp 1 @ CP1, Grp 2 @ CP2, Grp3 @ CP3

    Pr2: Grp 1 @ CP2, Grp 2 @ CP 3, Grp 3 @ CP 1

    Pr3: Grp 1 @CP3, Grp 2 @CP1, Grp 3 @CP 2

    Use the presets in the actions in Absolute FX... set FX grouping to 1.

    For ETC: while I was playing around with relative FX, i noticed that once hue hits 360, it stops.  Is there any chance that the hue could "wrap around" to 0 and continue counting upwards?  Also, any idea when grp + grp will treat each group as a whole in regards to effects?

    Cheers - BFJ

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