Color Effects Help Please.

Ideally I'd want to do it with an absolute effect, where you'd create three groups and then in the command line do, [Group 1] + [Group 2] + [Group 3] [Effect 301] and with Grouping 3 set in the effect have it follow your group selection. As it stands now, that's not the case. It does however follow your channel selection, just not group selection, but I digress.

If you make a step based effect you can do it. Just specify the parameters you want to use, and use Presets or Palettes for your On and Off states.

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I tried to select Color in the parameter column but I think it didn't let me.  Then I tried to pick red, green, and blue, but it looked like it was only letting me pick one at a time.  That may have been due to the limited column width.  And I didn't realize you could put palettes in the On/Off column.  You didn't find that in the manual, did you?

I like your idea about group selection, that would have worked- if it worked like that.

Thanks

Just tried on OLE using step effects.  Works a treat.  You can use CP's for on and off states, so you can have a blue background, and then have red pulsing from outside to in (for example)

I had some success by using relative and absolute effects by putting them into cues.  It's a bit smeggy - make your effect a grouping of 1 and then make 3 cues with follow times to suite.  In the 1st cue, put Grp1 into the effect, 2nd cue put Grp2 into the effect, etc.  It works, but as I said it's a bit smeggy.  You can get a RGB pulse  using this method - make sure hue values are at 0.  In the effect, make a positive ramp.  Should work.....

Another thought I just had if you wanted to do pulsing colour effects would be to record presets with the colours you want:

eg - Pr1: Grp 1 @ CP1, Grp 2 @ CP2, Grp3 @ CP3

Pr2: Grp 1 @ CP2, Grp 2 @ CP 3, Grp 3 @ CP 1

Pr3: Grp 1 @CP3, Grp 2 @CP1, Grp 3 @CP 2

Use the presets in the actions in Absolute FX... set FX grouping to 1.

For ETC: while I was playing around with relative FX, i noticed that once hue hits 360, it stops.  Is there any chance that the hue could "wrap around" to 0 and continue counting upwards?  Also, any idea when grp + grp will treat each group as a whole in regards to effects?

Cheers - BFJ

Manual? ;-)

Something that could be interesting to try....  Set all fixtures to the one colour (eg -  red).  Write a relative / colour effect for 'saturation' parameter with a grouping of  5 or something like that, with a trail of 10%.  Change the graph so it is ramping down the saturation, and set scale equal or greater than 50%.

Apply effect to all chans - you should get some sort of shimmer from red to OW, but in pulses...  

I don't have a rig to check this out, but would be interested to see what that looks like... :-)

Try an absolute effect.

Create some color pallettes :  1 will be all fixtures at Red full, 2 will be all fixtures at Blue full, and 3 will be all fixtures at Green full.

Step 1 should be Group 1 at CP 1, group 2 at CP 2, and group 3 at CP 3.

Step 2 should be group 1 at CP 2, Group 2 at CP 3 and group 3 at CP 1.

 

Step 3 should be group 1 at CP 3, group 2 at CP 1, and group 3 at CP 2.

 

This should do what you want it to do.

Jeff

 

^^...the problem with this is that absolute effects do not store channel info.  You have to rely on the group / trail settings (which are not currently behaving the way we would like.. hence this discussion).  You can only specify actions, and what the target is for each action.  To achieve what you are suggesting Jeff, you would need to make a preset for each "step" and use those presets as targets for the actions.

You would also need to set your grouping on the effect to 1

Cheers - BFJ

Howdy Y'all,

Thanks for the the suggestions- great ideas.  For now, I guess the working plan would either be a step effect with palettes as on/off, or an absolute effect with presets as actions (which I hadn't thought of.)

I really wish it could be done as a relative effect, though because you'd then still have access to the hue and saturation wheels in Live.

I hope someone has noted the idea about selecting Groups en masse as an option for effects. 

And how come palettes as on/off states isn't in the manual?  It doesn't exactly seem self-evident. 

B