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    Jeff Toussieng
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Magic Sheet residence

I can't get it straight in my mind where Magic Sheets live. I thought they were show file specific. So if i want to open one from another show I have to Merge it.

I opened an old show (Grease) with some similar things going on to the new show (Beauty) but wanted a different Magic Sheet because of the differences. I saved Grease as Beauty.

I then goofed and edited the existing MS realizing oops, it has the wrong name (Grease MS) and I just messed it up for that original show when do it again. Soooo I created a new Magic Sheet then copied and pasted what I did on the old MS to the new one and I saved  Beauty again. To fix my mess up I opened Grease from another stored location (I save to 3 different locations; console and two external drives). When I opened Grease from a different source the MS was the same one as the one I edited in Beauty.

So I opened an old saved one (I had several still there) that had the original Grease MS and I copied that one. I then exited Grease and reopened Beauty. I opened the original Grease MS that I had changed and deleted everything in it and pasted the one I just copied. When I exited the contents of that one were the same as the Beauty MS. So now I had lost the Beauty MS.

I then opened a Beauty saved file from a different time and found it but the same thing happened when I copied it to the new Beauty show file Beauty MS - the original Grease MS changed to Beauty also.

I am perplexed and thinking this is so not normal and most likely so confusing and so not suggested that I really won't get a good answer because it is hard to answer something so absurd, but I am trying at least. If I loose the original Grease MS then I will just redo another one when the time comes I repeat the show. (I have done it twice so far and going to do it again in Nov).

I am also very familiar with PEBCAC - Problem exists between chair and computer (in this case console) and never exclude myself from it. :-)

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    The magic sheets are in the show file however I'm a little suspicious of the comment "I created a new Magic Sheet then copied and pasted what I did" that doesn't sound like something you can actually do with a true magic sheet within EOS.  Its sounding more like you are editing an image of a stage layout, so the issue may be that you are indeed editing the same image file and hence the confusion.

  • 0 in reply to Mike A

    I started with opening Grease from the console show files. I saved that show right away but called it Beauty and saved it to a different folder on the console.

    I was now working with Beauty and Grease was closed. I did the editing to the Grease MS and saved the show file as Beauty a few times.

    I then realized I had actually edited that MS which I wanted to keep as Grease.

    There are a series of MS's in the Beauty show file that were from Grease. When the edited Grease MS was open I went to edit, selected everything, grouped everything, copied that group, exited edit, closed that MS and in the string of MS's I went to the end of the row and selected a new MS. I then opened the edit screen of that new MS and pasted the copied MS into it and exited the edit.

    So then I had two identical MS's, different numbers. One named Grease and one no name. I went into the MS list and named the new (blank) one Beauty and kept the old one Grease.

    After saving that Beauty show in the 3 locations I always save to I then opened a Grease show file from another location so I could copy that MS and paste it back into the MS I had edited. When I opened the Grease show file its original MS was the Beauty layout.

    I had to keep opening other Grease show files to find the original, or close to it original Grease MS so I could copy the contents in the same manner and paste them into the original Grease MS in the Beauty show.

    As I type this from memory, because a lot transpired I am thinking it is best to try to not solve what happened but try to learn how MS's work.

    When a new show file is created and a MS, call it test 1 as it's name and the show file is saved I'm hoping I at least understand that it is only going to show up when opening that show file.

    Now if in that new show file a "new" MS is opened and created and named say Test 2, I would think it also will only show up in that show file.

    However if Test 1 contents are copied and pasted into another new MS in that same show file should that have NO affect at all on the other two MS's?

    Also what is to be expected if a MS contents are copied from a totally different show file and pasted into a "new" MS of the new show file I have been talking about? Is that MS somehow linked or a continuation of the others or original?

    I also don't understand what you are referring to as editing the image of a stage layout. How does that differ than being in an open MS?

  • 0 in reply to Jeff Toussieng

    It should work with the magic sheet just saved in the show file, and editing one cant change another.  I just tried all possible combinations and couldn't find a way of making it do what you seem to be saying. (plus I am always editing magic sheets in different show files so if it did what you are saying normally that would have got me previously).

    My comment about the image editing was I was wondering if somehow you were sharing a common image file and just editing that not the real magic sheet,  but if you copy paste from one show file the contents of a magic sheet to another you get a big X where the image was if its not been imported into the magic sheet.

    So really don't understand how your scenario is happening if it really is as simple as create a show file,  create and edit a magic sheet, save the show file, select copy the items in the magic sheet, open a new show file, create a new  magic sheet and paste the items, move them about and/or add new items, save the show and re open the original.   That doesn't go wrong in any way for me the original show is unchanged, are you saying that simple a sequence  goes wrong for you?

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    i would have a look at the time stamp of the showfile you think got changed. i bet instead of opening the showfile you were in the File>SaveAs tree and double clicked a showfile. you thought you were opening it, but you saved it with the other name.

  • 0 in reply to Mike A

    I have been doing it the way I described and the way you described, which are the same for many years and never had this issue.

    I left the Grease and Beauty MS's as both the same for now because I had to get back to getting ready for the show however when I get time I am definitely going to rework it slowly and keep notes to see if it happens again. If so then I will have a more concise definition of what happened.

    Ueliriegg - I have definitely been down that road, as I am sure many have however only the opposite: wanting to save and opened instead and lost all my work.

    I don't remember getting the save as results string when wanting to open a file and when I opened each time I don't remember not getting the open results.

    But anything is possible with pebcac

  • 0 in reply to ueliriegg

    So I sat down and slowed down and took the time to methodically fix (restore) the correct Grease MS and took specific notes exactly what I did and to my surprise it all worked perfectly. I have absolutely no idea what I did to mess up the mess I created the other day but it is fixed and I am happy.

    Thank you for all  your input and especially now I know MS's live on a show file and don't talk to each other (not linked in any way). So changing one does not change another.

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