Cue Time Confusion

Several time values are possible. Up/Down/Color/Focus/Beam/ plus Follow/Hang/Link/Loop/Delay/Rate 
Check this out https://youtu.be/CRBtEjhXzNI?list=PLl-Ao0hIFwH8e-hREGygP-ZuskSPY50NZ

and/or read up in the manual 

The Times are not for that one cue. The Times are for the transition into the cue.

Hi,

you do not quite get the core concept of the console. It is a "move fade" , not a preset style console. In other words, there is no "going out" or "going in" a cue, it's more like a transition from one cue to another. The "up time" is taken from all channels that go from a lower to a higher value. The "down time" is taken by all channels going from a higher to a lower value. (Respectively focus time for all channels changing position, color time for all channels changing color and beam time for all channels changing beam parameters for these parameter groups). For further explanation I strongly recommend to read the white paper "entertainment lighting control philosophy" by Anne Valentino and Sarah Claussen. (My citation of the title might not be fully correct, but you can find it on the ETC website.

hope that helps.

Right, agreed. I don't get the core concept that's why I put the question here where more knowledgeable folks could assist. I have read the manual p256 to through 259.several times and find no mention of 'preset console'. And, "going from lower to higher and higher to lower" is I would have thought intuitive. My question was why does (what I thought was the down time on say cue 20) seem to act on the previous cue (in this case 19)? I'm keeping it simple and talking only intensity. The guy who asked me the question (bling leading the blind) also showed me in the timing column one that looked like;

(5) / 3 (7) - I.E. a little 3 between the normal up/down displays. Is this something to do with split timing (referring to one of the channels in the cue? Again, I really am wading through the manual. We're using an Element 2 by the way

this is pretty much established behaviour for most lighting consoles, and e.g. worked the same for Expression.

you're looking at the time of a transition and not the fade out time of the cue.

Cue 1: 4 / 10
Cue 2: 5 / 8
Cue 3: 1 / 6

when you're sitting in Cue 2 and press Go for Cue 3, the channels that increase intensity when going from Cue 2 to 3 will change in 1 second, the channels that decrease intensity when going from Cue 2 to 3 will change in 6 seconds.

(5) / 3 (7)

If these times are in the Intensity (Int) Up / Down Column they mean that when you hit [Go] for this cue the following will happen: Whatever intensities that should increase will increase over 5 seconds, starting immediately when you hit [Go].  Whatever intensities will be going down will wait 3 seconds after you hit [Go] and then will go down over the next 7 seconds.

To get that 3 second delay you use the [Delay] button, next to the [Time] button.

In the Duration (Dur) Column you will see a 10 for the total of 10 seconds ( 7 sec. + 3 sec. ) this cue will take to execute (assuming you don't have any moving lights moving).

Make sense? 

Actually - It does make sense. A lot. And very much appreciated. Our EXP3 was in use for about 20 years and I don't think anyone here ever changed the default timing of a cue so such "philosophies: never entered the equation. Did that [ 3 ) / 3 ( 5 ) question make sense?

Woops. Missed the answer earlier. It was a 'delay'. Lot of learning today. Great!

Hi Robert, sorry I didn’t want to offend you or sound harsh or anything the like. English is not my mother tongue so I might sound a bit harsh without wanting it. So apologies if I steppend on your toes (that’s what we say in Germany, hope it makes sense in English)

best,

JP

One thing that might help you understand cue times a little better -- the cue times stay the same, no matter what happens if you add or delete a cue before or after it.  

So, if cue 10 has a time of 4/6, no matter what the content of the cue is before it, it will take four seconds for any values that are increasing to go from their previous state to the state contained in the cue; and it will take six seconds for any values that are decreasing to change state.  That timing will stay put, even if you edit the previous cue so that no values are changing intensity ... and then, when you change the cue back, it'll keep that timing.

(Under your previous logic -- If you were to go from cue 1, with a "transition out" time of 5, to cue 2, with a "transition in" time of 10, which one would take priority?) 

Ich entschuldige mich Johannes. Many folks here earn a living working these consoles. I'm a volunteer at a community theater with a consolidated time of maybe a few weeks. There is no local real knowledge. They have used "1 to 1" patching, had no moving lights or LEDs and pretty much used default up/downs for 20 years! I think I should know more than I do and get frustrated.

So, thank you for your input. I scoop all the answers up, spend hours re-arranging into my own "Quick Notes" and make experiments on the EOS installed at home.  - Keep up the good work you have a lot of expertise to share.

Very nicely laid out Matt. Have you ever banged your head on wall to break through and then someone showed you an open door! With your and previous answers I now feel very comfortable the whole concept of cue timing which is good because the theater is relying on ME to train others (blind leading blind). This forum is my life vest.

Where are you based?

Slap bang in the middle of Florida. A town know for the "12 Hours of Sebring" auto racing.