Independent House Lights etc. . .

Ditto this, or allow intensity channels to be independent.

SB

x3 on this.

We are planning to add a submaster condition that excludes control from GM and blackout.  It's sort of live a dynamic park.

:-)

a

Anne,

Parked subs still won't help if you want to cue channels into the show. If you cue them in, Rem-dim, and go to cue 0 will kill these channels, which is the real issue I think. If you also have them on a sub (for safety reasons) then they won't go out as cued...

If I don't care about cueing them into the show, then parking them on or using exclusive subs work fine.

-M

Anne,

Parked subs still won't help if you want to cue channels into the show. If you cue them in, Rem-dim, and go to cue 0 will kill these channels, which is the real issue I think. If you also have them on a sub (for safety reasons) then they won't go out as cued...

If I don't care about cueing them into the show, then parking them on or using exclusive subs work fine.

-M

Is there mileage in looking at using captured channels for this?  Captured channels will already ignore rem dim and Go to cue 0/out.  If we also excluded them from GM and Blackout control?  I'd like to try to find a way to solve this using methods we already have, rather than adding yet another new condition.   I've been having this discussion offline with some TV folks, and they'd like to see captured channels not impacted by the GM/BO anyway.

a

Anne,

Sadly, Capture makes channels manual, and consequently excludes them from moving with cues. So, to use Capture in order to have channels unaffected by rem-dim/go to 0, is actually more work than using subs...

I know that you are not keen on adding a new condition to patch, but independent channels are unspeakably beneficial and for those folk who come from legacy ETC boards they are sorely missed.

-M

Oh right, fair enough.  (Sorry Marc.... as you know, its been a long day!!)  What you are really looking for (lets lose the work independent here for a second - I realize that is what it was called in the legacy products, but that indicates something else to me), is a condition for intensity parameters where they are treated like NPs, except in their ability to be programmed either LTP or HTP.    And of course, are treated like regular intensity channels when stored to a sub.

a

Bullseye!

You could call them Magical Fish Cake channels or anything else you want, as long as we could have that functionality.

As I've said before, the only reason I don't make a custom fixture with the Intensity as an NIP is we need to able to quickly bring them up from the RFR.

Thanks Anne!

-M

if i may put my two sense in -from the obsession 1500, i do miss the independent function. this would make any channel unaffected by the GM/Blackout...

It would be nice to have a submaster state like the Strand had with what they called "Exclusive" (you'll have to think of another name)  A channel put into this sub couldn't be controlled by ANYTHING.  You couldn't  call it up on the channel select or record into cues. Great for house lights, work lights, Running lights.  To gain control over it you had to go into sub page and remove it from the sub it was assigned to.

There is an exclusive mode that keeps the contents of a sub from being recorded into cues, but you can still access that subs channels and record them into cues as needed by manually selecting them.  I find this setting useful when I need to have house lights on and recording looks on stage.  I would really like intensity independents as there are often times that I am running a show on the fly, and I want to dim everything except chosen movers, or bring the house lights up when the master is down.

I have written inhibitive subs for this purpose in the past, but things would be easier with a FULLY independent submaster setting.

Hi Anne,

We miss the Obsession independent function too, despite best endeavours sometimes we get caught out too

Malcolm

Hi Anne,

Support for the legacy concept of "independent" channels is great for scroller channels in shows imported from Obsession also, in addition to worklight and houselight channels as others have mentioned.

And also, of course, for our friendly designers who insist on the tried-and-true legacy method of controlling scrollers in their new shows.  But that's for another post...

On the list for 1.9.5.

:-)

a

Just to check Anne – we are also really keen on a type of Sub which cannot be overruled by Manual Control (for House Lights, especially when I’m plotting in the Stalls), though I’d prefer not to have full Strand Exclusive behaviour as sometimes I want both control through the Fader and through Playback on HTP.

I’m not quite sure which post you were responding to when you said it was on the list for 1.9.5, and so which form it will take.  Did it make 1.9.5, and if so how will it work and what will it be called?

Actually, both.  In 1.9.5, two things along this line are being added:

In patch, there is a new attribute called "GM Exempt".  When a channel is set to this mode, intensity values will not be impacted by the following actions:

Grand Master or Blackout

Rem Dim

Go to Cue 0

This is basically the same as our old "independent", but we couldn't call it that, because we use independent as a priority setting for cue lists/submasters.

Additionally, a new priority for submasters called "shielded" is being added.   When a submaster is set to shield, any channels associated with that submaster are not available for manual control.  When the sub is shielded, the "exclusive" flag is also automatically set.   This flag is set via a "priority" setting on the sub.  We've changed the field that used to be "independent" to "priority."  By default, this is cleared, meaning there is no priority on the sub.  Pressing the SK once puts the sub into independent mode, pressing a second time puts the sub into shield mode.

Hope that helps.    1.9.5 will be starting beta shortly.

a

Sweet!

Thanks for the preview of things to come!