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automark not working if master has no intens parameter

For a moving head multicell fixture I used to forget that I have to put both the master and cells intensities up to see light, even though I programmatically could do with only intensities on the cells, since the master intensity is basically just a multiplication factor on top of the cells intensities. So I went to the fixture profile in patch and changed the master intensity to locked value 255. Now when typing Chan 1 @ Full, the cells intensities would go to full, instead of the master intensity + I would have to select the cells and turn their intensities up as well.

But I think I found a roadblock, since now that the master doesn't have an intensity anymore, the moving head won't do proper automarks anymore, because automark apparently looks at the intensity of the master instead of the whole fixture (Augment3d on the contrary understands the change in fixture profile perfectly fine). I am on Element, so only automark is available.

I wanted to confirm that have no choice but to switch back to the double intensity fixture profile, if I want the automark to work for this moving head multicell fixture?

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    I have a second question. I have come across the following scenario: It is cue 1 and the master intensity is turned off. The cells are turned on and have color A. In the cue 2, the fixture does nothing. In cue 3, the cells should have color B. Since the cells were never turned off, the automark didn't do anything in cue 2, even though it could have faded the color from A to B, because the master was turned off, so it would have been invisible and that's what we want. But if I turn off both the master and the cells in cue 1, then it's not a linear down fade, but an exponential one. And if I don't turn off the master intensity, but only the cells intensities, the fixture could not do a focus automark in cue 2. And if I put color B into cue 2, this is basically a manual mark by setting the color parameter values in the dark cue yourself, which breaks the idea of automark.

    So what's the best way to balance between master intensity and cells intensities programming wise?

  • 0 in reply to Lucas van Wijk

    Hi Lucas. 

    Can you tell us which fixture type you're using?

    Typically Cells should automark when the Master Cell is turned off if the cells are setup as Mastered Cells. You can try to set the cells as mastered cells in the Fixture editor and check if the fixture is now behaving like you expect. however, this might break some features of the fixture, if it was intentionally setup for the cells to not be mastered. 

    Setting the home value for the cell master as 255 in patch is not that nice of a workaround imho. you can restore the default profile by updating the fixture in the Fixture window in Patch and then set the cells as mastered cells in the fixture editor. 

    Usually, you shouldn't need to touch the default cell intensities if you're working with mastered cells. (Unless you're trying to do effects/fanned colors etc ofc.) 

    Hope this helps.

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  • 0 in reply to Lucas van Wijk

    Hi Lucas. 

    Can you tell us which fixture type you're using?

    Typically Cells should automark when the Master Cell is turned off if the cells are setup as Mastered Cells. You can try to set the cells as mastered cells in the Fixture editor and check if the fixture is now behaving like you expect. however, this might break some features of the fixture, if it was intentionally setup for the cells to not be mastered. 

    Setting the home value for the cell master as 255 in patch is not that nice of a workaround imho. you can restore the default profile by updating the fixture in the Fixture window in Patch and then set the cells as mastered cells in the fixture editor. 

    Usually, you shouldn't need to touch the default cell intensities if you're working with mastered cells. (Unless you're trying to do effects/fanned colors etc ofc.) 

    Hope this helps.

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  • 0 in reply to empiire

    It's like a knockoff fixture, so it does not have an official fixture profile. So I made one myself, I just didn't know about the Mastered Cells setting, but turning that on helped solve the problem of the cells not marking even though the master intensity is zero, so an automark should be allowed to happen.

    And yes, forcing the intensity value of the master to 255 in patch (by changing the parameter from Intens to Locked Value) is indeed not a pretty way of doing things, but it did remove the master intensity from Live Table entirely, letting the command 'Chan 1 At Full' control the cells intensities instead of a master intensity and then I have to type 'Chan 1 Cells Only At Full' after that.

    But now I'm back to double intensity parameters (master + cells), which I don't like, but I don't think there's another way. The reason for why I wanted a single intensity (only for the cells) is because on an 8-cell led bar, there was a problem where we would go from cue 1 to cue 2, where the led bar was on in cue 1 and off in cue 2. But cue 2 had the master intensity on zero and a different color for the cells. So what you'd see going from cue 1 to 2, is the fixture changing color as its intensity went down to zero.

  • 0 in reply to Lucas van Wijk

    With mastered cells enabled, you shouldn't need to touch the Cell intensities at all if you're trying to dim down the whole bar because thats what the master is for obviously.

    If you're considering removing the master intensity, depending on how the dmx for the fixture is layed out, you could also just patch each cell as a separate fixture and control them via groups or otherwise. Working with cells does have some workflow advantages especially when dealing with many fixtures. 

    The problem you are describing sounds to me like a typical Live Move. There should be a L in your PSD for every cue that has a livemove. Its common to accidentally record livemoves and darkmoves when working in CueOnly Mode. You can get rid of them with two simple Macros.

    [Query Live Moves Enter All NIP @ Enter] 
    [Query Dark Moves Enter All NIP @ Enter]

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