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Marking Chaos

I have a marking related question (or two).

The first:  What defines a "live move" as indicated by the "L" in the cue list.  I have some live scrolls in cues that don't indicate live moves. 

On that same note- D  the manual says this is is "automark is disabled".  We have turned automark off and I still have some Ds leftover.  I've been able to remove most of them- do these show up on referenced Marks as well.  What is the possibility of adding an indicator (or redefining this one since my brain always trys to interpret it this way) for Dark moves.  I've been spending a lot of time hunting these down lately and it would be handy to have an indication in the cue list.

Question two:  NiP autoblocks- it looks like the console is auto-blocking Marked lights (a feature I approve of if it is).  I come across a bunch of these in my cues but no indication of autoblocks in the block column in the cuelist- are these all Marked values or is the console just not telling me that it is autoblocking NiPs?

 

P.S.  This is the first time I've used Referenced Marks to a large degree and it is incredibly usefull- I'm looking forward to the upgrades when the come!

 

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    First of all, I feel like "Marking Chaos" should be the name of a band or something...

    The "L" is a little tricky. It will only appear in the cue list if the intensity of a channel is fading up from zero (or fading down to zero? I don't remember at the moment) and a NIP is moving IN THE SAME CUE. The logic behind it is that if you forget to make a mark, this will alert you to a problem. However, if the intensity is already above zero and is remaining above zero, and a NIP changes (a live scroll for example), the L will not be displayed because the console assumes that you intended for it to be a live move. Generally speaking, you generally don't want to see Ls in a cue list, and they're designed as a kind of "red flag" for the programmer. Of course, for any cues where you DO want a NIP changing as the light fades up (a ML following a performer, for example), the L will display but the cue will be correct.

    As for the specific meaning of "D", I couldn't tell you. I remember that the MV column appeared a while back along with some changes to how Marks were displayed in the PSD, but I searched for a while and couldn't find any documentation on it. The way I've been using it, D seems to indicate any NIP move in dark that's not triggered by a Mark. So if you manually changed some NIPs in a cue, it would display a D. I'm sure it's probably more involved than that, but that's what I've been able to figure out from watching it.

    Autoblocks work the same way with marked cues as with normal cueing. If you record a parameter at a specific level, then go back and record that same value into an earlier cue, the second cue will autoblock to maintain the concept of a move cue. Do you mean you're seeing the white parameter with an underline, but not seeing the lowercase "b" in the block column? I'm not sure why that would be - I just tested it offline, and the "b" shows up for me.

    Hope that helps.

    R

  • 0 in reply to rochem

    Just a little more on D. When Automark is turned on, a D in the M column indicates that automark has been overridden for that cue (turned off). D in the MV column indicates moves of NiPs whilst the intensity is at zero.

    Dan

  • 0 in reply to dsmurfin

    Not meaning to jump on this thread, but it is very related - I just wonder why the flags column 'MV' shows a L when a fixture has faded out but then immediately changes to the next position in dark. The show I have just programmed has lots of very quick changes so quite alot of my dark moves are labelled as such and I find while tidying up it is difficult to tell the difference between the two.

    Thinking out loud as it were!

  • 0 in reply to stewie

    How are you doing this? If you're using a delay for the focus time then yes it will display L because the new Preset is in the same cue as the intensity fade. If you're using Mark to do this you shouldn't see an L.

    Dan

  • 0 in reply to dsmurfin

    Ah well that would certainly suggest why - I have been doing it the 'old fashioned' way of parts etc while I get my head around marking. Interesting to know marking wouldn't show the L, thanks Dan.

  • 0 in reply to stewie

    i was trying yesterday to get my head around marking and i think i saw, what happens to the autoblock. when you look at the NIPs in the tracksheet, you should see what's going on. the white values have a green M next to them. and in the cue where the M is displayed in the mark column of the cuelist, there will also be the b for blocking. looks like marking moves the block indicator forward along with the value that are marked.

    no idea if this is intended or not, as i said, still trying to figure out a suitable way to mark...

    cheers, ueli

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  • 0 in reply to stewie

    i was trying yesterday to get my head around marking and i think i saw, what happens to the autoblock. when you look at the NIPs in the tracksheet, you should see what's going on. the white values have a green M next to them. and in the cue where the M is displayed in the mark column of the cuelist, there will also be the b for blocking. looks like marking moves the block indicator forward along with the value that are marked.

    no idea if this is intended or not, as i said, still trying to figure out a suitable way to mark...

    cheers, ueli

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