HES Studio Spot CMY and CMY Zoom have different colors

FWIW, I have 6 Studio Spot CMY Zooms and have never found the pick to gel number method to be anywhere near accurate.  I would suspect that due to the age of the fixture, that the profile written for ETC was poorly done.

Note that I never complained, as it is in reality, an ancient fixture that has dismal CMY mixing to tints in any event, and I just went and built up my own favorites for the Color Palette.

Steve Bailey

Brooklyn College

FWIW, I have 6 Studio Spot CMY Zooms and have never found the pick to gel number method to be anywhere near accurate.  I would suspect that due to the age of the fixture, that the profile written for ETC was poorly done.

Note that I never complained, as it is in reality, an ancient fixture that has dismal CMY mixing to tints in any event, and I just went and built up my own favorites for the Color Palette.

Steve Bailey

Brooklyn College

Hi Steve,

I would totally get that except the Zoom is really just an "add-on" module to the original CMY unit (it disables/takes the place of the diffusion attribute), so the profile "should" be the same as the CMY except there's a zoom atribute in place of the diffusion.  It has to be in the prfile, because I can patch them as original CMY units and the color picker works perfectly, as soon as you replace the diffusion with a zoom, it messes up the color values.

Makes no sense to me....

dave

Have you checked to see that the zoom profile is up to date? I had issues with some cxi's not showing the correct color. When I updated the profile they worked correctly. Just note that if you update the profile it could affect any data you have previously stored for those units.

davebsstage said:

Hi Steve,

I would totally get that except the Zoom is really just an "add-on" module to the original CMY unit (it disables/takes the place of the diffusion attribute), so the profile "should" be the same as the CMY except there's a zoom atribute in place of the diffusion.  It has to be in the prfile, because I can patch them as original CMY units and the color picker works perfectly, as soon as you replace the diffusion with a zoom, it messes up the color values.

Makes no sense to me....

dave

Does it work to make a copy of the non-zoom fixture profile and add the extra attribute?

-Steve Martin

Hi Steve,

No, not at all.... In fact, I have found that even making a copy of the fixture, without changing any atributes, "breaks" the color.... Strange to say the least....

bosox242: How does one update the profiles?

dave

you only get the fixture update function, if you have a showfile with fixtures that are older than the personalities of the current library version, usually a showfile created in an older version of the software.

from the manual:

"Update Library
When a new library is installed on Eos Family consoles (for example, included in a software
update), changes in library data will not automatically update your show files. This is to prevent
library changes from affecting a functional show file.
Using the {Fixtures} softkey in patch will open up the list of fixtures used in the current show file. In
this view, you will be able to tell which fixtures in the currently loaded show file differ from the
console's fixture library. For fixtures that have a library update, the {Update Lib} softkey will display
in white, and for fixtures that don't have an update, the {Update Lib} softkey will be greyed out."

davebsstage said:

Hi Steve,

No, not at all.... In fact, I have found that even making a copy of the fixture, without changing any atributes, "breaks" the color.... Strange to say the least....

bosox242: How does one update the profiles?

dave

That sounds like a bug to me - or at the very least, undesired behavior.

-Steve

Hi guys.  The Studio Spot CMY has been color calibrated, but the zoom has not - so it is using an abstract color match.   If it is true that these fixtures are exactly the same from a color system standpoint, we can extend the color calibration to the zoom as well.

a

That would be a real help.

Thanks, 

SB

Hi Anne,

In short, the answer is yes, they do use the same color system.  In fact, my Zoom units were originally "non-zoom" CMY units.  I bought the zoom modues as an "add-on." You replace the lens set up and add some weight ballast to the back of the unit. That's it. Same color wheels, same engine....

So, yes please, we'd like the calibration extended to the zoom profile too.....

Thanks! Hope to see/meet you at LDI...

dave

Thanks all.  We are on it.

a