How to save a "look" and combine saved "looks"? Groups? Submasters? Intesity Palettes? Something Else?

I'm an ETC Insight 2x user of 17 years who just recently switched to an Ion. I'm trying to find a way to use my new Ion to construct light cues in a way similar to how I've done it for the past 17 years.

Here's how I would do it using my Insight 2x:

I'd work area by area--so I'd start with area A, adjust the relative levels of front light, back light, etc.--achieve a terrific look for area A, then save it as a Group. Then I'd so the same for each area--achieve a good balance, a standard look, and save it as a Group. Same with color washes, cyc lights. everything.

Then, when it came time to start writing cues, I could very quickly and efficiently build them using these Groups as building blocks. It worked great.

I'm trying to find a way to use this same method on an Ion and failing. I can no longer do it with Groups because (for reasons I cannot fathom) Groups on an Ion no longer record intensity information, so I can't recall a "look," I can only recall channels.

This past show I tried using Submasters to do this (just recording and recalling them using the keypad), but that was a disaster. Cues wouldn't save properly, I found it impossible to clear out channels (Go To Cue 0 stopped working), I'd hit Enter to save a cue and random lights would pop on. Insanity. As soon as I stopped using Submasters the insanity stopped, but I had to construct cues channel by channel, intensity by intensity, and it took forever.

I only vaguely understand Intensity Palettes, but the fact that they're referenced data worries me. (I don't want to end up changing all my cues when I change just one.)  Am I worried about nothing?  Is this what I should be using?

It seems like there MUST be a way to do something as simple as what I want to do--save a given look to be recalled later and combined with other such saved looks to create a cue--but I'll be darned if I can figure out how.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Peter Pauze

Denison University Theatre

 

 

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  • press the ABOUT key in the middle of the console. 

    this will tell you info about the console such as Software version. 

     

    if you are only using dimmers and no MLs, 

    i find Presets easier/ faster :)

     

     

     

  • A couple things to add / clarify.  Forgive me if I'm repeating anything.

    Palettes and presets store data that can be accessed on a per channel basis.  For example, if you want channel 2 to take its level from preset 5, you can command [2] [Intensity Palette] [5].  The same is true with groups, which only store combinations of channels.

    If you want a shortcut to select every channel in a preset or palette AND put it at the data in the preset or palette, you can command [Recall from] [xx Palette] [x].  This would be the most like group x at full on another console.  If you then want the levels scaled to a percentage, after pressing enter, type [at] [/] [y], where y is a percentage.

    If you want a quick way just to select all channels in a palette or preset, use [Group] palette / preset.

    If you are setting all your palettes to absolute after you have created them, while in blind there is an easy way to select them all.  Say Intensity palette 1 is your first palette, [Intensity Palette] [1] [thru] [enter] will select all your palettes.

    -Josh

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