How to save a "look" and combine saved "looks"? Groups? Submasters? Intesity Palettes? Something Else?

I'm an ETC Insight 2x user of 17 years who just recently switched to an Ion. I'm trying to find a way to use my new Ion to construct light cues in a way similar to how I've done it for the past 17 years.

Here's how I would do it using my Insight 2x:

I'd work area by area--so I'd start with area A, adjust the relative levels of front light, back light, etc.--achieve a terrific look for area A, then save it as a Group. Then I'd so the same for each area--achieve a good balance, a standard look, and save it as a Group. Same with color washes, cyc lights. everything.

Then, when it came time to start writing cues, I could very quickly and efficiently build them using these Groups as building blocks. It worked great.

I'm trying to find a way to use this same method on an Ion and failing. I can no longer do it with Groups because (for reasons I cannot fathom) Groups on an Ion no longer record intensity information, so I can't recall a "look," I can only recall channels.

This past show I tried using Submasters to do this (just recording and recalling them using the keypad), but that was a disaster. Cues wouldn't save properly, I found it impossible to clear out channels (Go To Cue 0 stopped working), I'd hit Enter to save a cue and random lights would pop on. Insanity. As soon as I stopped using Submasters the insanity stopped, but I had to construct cues channel by channel, intensity by intensity, and it took forever.

I only vaguely understand Intensity Palettes, but the fact that they're referenced data worries me. (I don't want to end up changing all my cues when I change just one.)  Am I worried about nothing?  Is this what I should be using?

It seems like there MUST be a way to do something as simple as what I want to do--save a given look to be recalled later and combined with other such saved looks to create a cue--but I'll be darned if I can figure out how.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Peter Pauze

Denison University Theatre

 

 

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  • A couple things to add / clarify.  Forgive me if I'm repeating anything.

    Palettes and presets store data that can be accessed on a per channel basis.  For example, if you want channel 2 to take its level from preset 5, you can command [2] [Intensity Palette] [5].  The same is true with groups, which only store combinations of channels.

    If you want a shortcut to select every channel in a preset or palette AND put it at the data in the preset or palette, you can command [Recall from] [xx Palette] [x].  This would be the most like group x at full on another console.  If you then want the levels scaled to a percentage, after pressing enter, type [at] [/] [y], where y is a percentage.

    If you want a quick way just to select all channels in a palette or preset, use [Group] palette / preset.

    If you are setting all your palettes to absolute after you have created them, while in blind there is an easy way to select them all.  Say Intensity palette 1 is your first palette, [Intensity Palette] [1] [thru] [enter] will select all your palettes.

    -Josh

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