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freeze issues

I'm having a few problems when we use "Freeze". 

The first problem is that when you return back to "On", while the levels onstage stay the same, the preset display in the sequence stack goes away.  Sometimes the refresh key will bring the display back, but not always.  Either way, it seems like an unneccesary keystroke and if it doesn't work it's really hard to tell what preset we were in.

The second problem is that while in freeze, it displays the live output of the attributes rather that accurately showing the attributes in the presets we're looking at in freeze.  If we change the attributes and update, it works, but it's hard to know if it was accurately updated as it's still showing live output.

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

Mark
 

  • Could you explain exactly what happens when "the preset display in the sequence stack" goes away? Is this the preset number shown in the Main Playback view?

    About the second problem: What display do you mean? Live Attributes? Do you mean that it should show the frozen data instead of the blind data from the console? 

  • Hello

    For me,  Freeze function is not very usefull. when I unFreeze, lightboard go back in the same state before I use freeze, but I never use Freeze on show because there is a lot of solution to never use FREEZE !

  • in reply to Anders Ekvall

    Yes, the preset number (and all data related to it) is missing from the Main Playback view.  It basically shows a blank line where "A" would normally show the preset we are in.

     

    The display I'm referring to is "Live".  Mostly we use scrollers, and in the live display at the bottom of the channel box that have scrollers on them, the display shows the frozen data being output from the console rather than the data from the preset we are looking at in freeze, while all of the intensity values change with what we are looking at.

     

     

    Thanks. 

  • in reply to pilou

    I'll explain why we're using freeze and maybe someone will have an idea of how to accomplish the same task some other way.

    Two reasons:

    -The designer wants to continue to look at where the actors are in tech while we are presetting attributes in previous presets.  With other designers I would just go back to the preset that I need to update in the live output but since I can't do that, it seems like freeze is the best option.

    - The designer wants to be able to look at presets on his display (a laptop used as a client) in "blind" (he thinks in obsession) that are different from the live output on stage.  Freeze is the only way I have found to be able to switch his display for him (because he doesn't want to have to push buttons to look at things himself). 

  • in reply to mark

    Hi Mark -

    The scrollers not updating sounds like a bug - we will take a look at that here.

    In the designer example, you're going into Freeze so that the designer's client updates with "blind" information without his having to navigate himself? Clever! But not optimal. :-) We will look at improving this in a future version.

    Thanks -

    Sarah

     

  • Hi,

    Some comments regarding Freeze.

    The preset number "disapearing" in the Main Playback tab is normal behaviour. Why this happens is that when you go into Freeze mode, the whole output of the console is stored into a temporary memory. The whole output means the output from Masters and Main Playback, etc.

    When you un-freeze and return to normal mode, the levels stored in the temporary memory are restored into the A-field. So what you have in the A-field after you return to normal mode is not the preset that was in A when you activated Freeze, it is the values that were output when you activated Freeze. On the stage the look you have while you are in Freeze and what you have when you return to normal mode both look the same, but are infact not exactly the same internally.

    For example if you have Masters on when you activate Freeze, you will see that when you have returned back to normal mode from Freeze, the levels that were coming from the masters are now coming from the A-field and not the masters. The purpose of this functionality is to ensure that the levels on the stage do not change when you un-freeze and return to normal mode.
    If you press Refresh after you have returned to normal mode, you will get the preset number back to the A-field.

    When you active Freeze, the step/preset number that is in the B-field is also remembered and the same step/preset is restored into the B-field when you return to normal mode. This is so that you can easily continue running the show after having been in Freeze (So that you wouldn't need to remember and manually set the sequence to be in the correct place when you return to normal mode).

    Oskar
  • in reply to okrogell
    Another issue with freeze is that we have "reverse profiled" some of the lights, so they are on when at 0% and off at 100%.  We have done this for some running lights so they will be on all the time except for the few times that we want to take them out, we bring them to 100%.  This allows for them to be on when we are in cues and when we are not.  I have found though that these profiled lights will turn out when returning from freeze, until I hit refresh.  Is this a bug since we're not returning to the same state upon unfreeze that we left from?
  • in reply to mark

    Hi Mark -

    When you say "reverse profiled" do you mean you created an inverted dimmer curve or did you create single-parameter devices (Intensity) where you selected the Inverted setting?

    Thanks much -

    Sarah 

  • in reply to sclausen

    Yes, an inverted dimmer curve.  I actually used the preloaded Dimmer Curve 1, On/Off.

     

    Thanks

     

    Mark 

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