Manual controls fade timing

Not totally sure what you are doing but the way I do this for busking is to use sneak.

so entering group 50 sneak 3 colour pallet 20

then on my magic sheet I have buttons for the groups, buttons for the colour palettes (they get coloured automatically if you set them up correctly so you can see what the colour is you are picking) and then a number of buttons for different sneak times.

Also save a few of these looks as presets and have a row of those buttons as well so can select a few groups hit my sneak 10 and hit the preset button.

Also have a full and out buttons as well (and a load of other stuff effects. focus palettes etc)

And then an operator can busk the whole thing from the magic sheet, without ever touching the console buttons.

If I've missed the point completely and you re really saying you want to set everything up and then kind of apply it, then inhibitive faders maybe where you need to go.

Thank you, I like that idea! I did something similar to that, using a set of macros so change the default manual fade times in the CIA under Setup>Desk settings>manual control and changing them timings. This allows me to fade them similar to how your fade works.

I knew this kind of week was going to come so I also built a magic sheet similar to that. I am still working on it so it isn't perfect, but it has the majority of the features you describe

What I was hoping for was the ability to in essence pause my changes from taking place, setting up a load of palette/effect changes and then pressing a go macro, to make them take place. I can see what you mean by inhibitive submasters, but I don't know how to make it inhibit just the changes I am making and not all of the manual control.

Thank you for your help!

the console doesn't have the function you're looking for. but when you say you want to "cue up" changes and have them start at a "go" you essentially already described the workaround. you go to blind, apply all presets, palettes, effects to whatever channels you want and then press Go when it's the right time...
this has some challenges of channel ownership and macroing but i think that's the only method getting even close to what you want.

Inhibitive subs probably only work for this sort of thing if the rig is big enough that you can pick a set of lights that are out, set them up as you want with intensities and effects and then bring them in.

I suppose the other thing you could do is make your macros setup a cue in blind and then when you are ready to go, move to that cue in live.

I've not tried doing it that way as generally I'm either making single changes eg fading the colour of a set of lights or firing up an effect on a group of them (even if clicking on those things in reasonable quick succession, its still single actions going live) or going to a more complex preset "look" or via macros loading one of a number of different cue lists (for different song styles) to the master fader so hitting GO steps through them, and then also stepping through a cue list that overlays the main one but runs a sequence on moves on moving lights.

Combining those things together lets me busk it reasonably easily. All on them fired up from a magic sheet so single clicks to do most things rather than trying to type the command on the console.

(also found it really useful to have on the sheet, a clear command line button so your not pushing clear on the console multiple times to get rid of something you decide not to execute , a stop all effects, select all fixed lights and select all movers - so a simple 3 clicks "select all" "sneak 2" "preset 1" gets everything to fade to something sensible.

Hi Matt, What I do to get around this (though this can end up being quite complex)
Is set up a Q list that contains Lights in a selected Preset, sharing the same number for Palettes (ie Preset 999 contains I,F,C & B Palettes 999) and in Q 2 of said list have the lights stored in a Preset 998 (or whatever) and have a magic sheet with the standard Palettes you use underneath Macro (MS Object) buttons that copy say ColorPalette 1 to 999, or Focus Palette 3 Copy_To 999 (or 998)
You can even just have macros that say Copy_To 999 (or whatever) under or above your palette selections, so you can use same magic sheet for driving channels manually or use the copy to function to 'set up your next GO.

Hope that makes sense, as I said it can end up being quite complex but if you only have 2 Q's and a myriad of Palettes you can busk a look onstage before it gets there.

Timing on Cues set too how you like it (or utilise the up/down fade of the master)

Actually that's probably not what you're after.
Food for thought though ;)

I think I once set up a system that does what you want. I never finished it though and never used it. I just wanted to see if it was possible.

It looked something like this:

What I did was set up some color palettes that were applicable to all my fixtures and also a number of groups (say Back/Sides/Backdrop/etc).

I then set up the Magic Sheet you see above, where I would choose a color palette (1.) and the group I wanted to apply it to. (2.)
The group buttons where actually macros that would copy the color palette I chose to a "placeholder" palette.
Those placeholder palettes would then be applied to the groups in the specified sneak time (3.) all at once.

So I would choose green for group 1 for example. The green palette would be copied to the placeholder for group 1 (say CP 101).
Red for group 2. The red palette would be copied to the placeholder for group 2 (say CP102).
And so on and so forth.

When I pressed one of the Sneak macros, they would apply CP101 to Group 1 in the given time, CP102 to Group 2 in the given time, etc.

I never got to expanding the system beyond color palettes, but it will be applicable to any other palette as well.
This way you should be able to prepare a look with all the palette-types the board offers and then make it happen with the sneak macro.

You might reach a point though, where applying all those palletes creates a noticable delay. Can't confirm that though, as I've never tried it. Just a thought.

I didn't know you were capable of doing that, that could be useful for other issues I am having. I shall give that a go next time I am behind the console - thanks!

I could see that being a method which I use, the only issue being that I am implementing this so that when I leave they have an easy busking system but I shall make a magic sheet with this and see what they think! Thank you very much for this reply

I like this concept, it seems similar to Bartfly's method, with a nice interface. This seems like something that I could teach to younger students, assuming I make the macros as robust as possible. Thank you to you all for your responses, sorry for the late replies but you have all helped me out!

If you need any help setting this up or have questions I'll be glad to help.