Update Group behavior

Thank you for reaching out.

This was indeed a change to make the Update (and RecordOnly) behavior for groups more consistent with the behavior when recording other targets. This change was released with 3.2.0

Thank you for reaching out.

This was indeed a change to make the Update (and RecordOnly) behavior for groups more consistent with the behavior when recording other targets. This change was released with 3.2.0

Ok, thats a pitty. When updating groups a lot, it is a hassle to always make manual before updating. But still it doesn't feel really consistent if the syntax will still work when there are no manual values in live. In that case it should probably do nothing, the same as [Chan 1 Update Cue Enter] would do nothing if there are no manual values.
I also think this has not been communicated clearly. The release notes for 3.2.0 only state: "EOS-50988 [Chans RecordOnly Group] should only store manual channels" and the manual still says to: "[1] [Thru] [5] [Update] [Group] [n] [Enter] - adds channel 1-5 to existing Group n."

Thank you for pointing out that the manual hasn't been updated properly. I will forward this note to the tech writer team.

This seems a little bit inconvenient.

Is there a better or more detailed explenation than "make the Update [..] more consistent with the behavior when recording other targets"

For Updating a Channel into a Group i than need to make sure that:

A: non other Channel in the Group has manual Data
B: if other Channel in the Group have manuel Data, the channel that needed to be updated has to have manual data as well

As a result, to make sure the channel is applyed, i'd rather need to enter Group-Blind Mode and add it there or select the Group + the new Channel and re-Record the Group.

That is, in my eyes, time consumming and will be make a lot of space for errors if not thought and checked trough.

Thanks, it still feels like a big change if you have been using this workflow in, for example, updating a group with non-dims for movers really fast in between programming for years and suddenly this doesn't work any more. As Mathilda also mentions, this could result in errors that affect a show.
And what about my other point I raised about the syntax still working with no manual values at all in live? I got a lot of colleague programmers saying: "I can update groups offline on another desk, but not on the desk on stage". This led me to investigate to find that the syntax works with no manual values in Live. To be really consistent this should also not work.

This change was partially changed again, as part of

[EOS-55206]
[chan 1 thru 2 Update Group 1] is only adding both channels if they are manual

Summary: The change to RecordOnly Group was kept, the change to Update Group was reverted.