Jands Echelon / Hog 1K - Create Fixture Profile

Hi everyone,

So the venue i operate at use a Jands Echelon board (rebranded Hog 1000) & the venue will very soon be getting some new LED moving head wash fixtures, however they are a generic unbranded fixture that do not have a fixture profile.

The company providing them said they can give me the DMX chart & i will have to create my own fixture profile, so just wanting to get some tips on how i would do this?, all the other fixtures in use at the venue have fixture profiles in the board already.

Some step by step instructions would be a massive massive help.

Cheers.
  • hi

    you need a pc or mac with a floppy,

    safe a show with the 1k on the floppy
    open the libary folder and open the liblib file with a text editor

    when you set a new fixture you have to set count +1

    try this copy in for example edit it , try and error :


    //-------------------------------------------------------
    fixture = Ab700
    manufacturer = 1
    product = 63
    name = Abeam 700st
    yoke = yes

    output = dmx

    parameter = Cyan
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Magenta
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Yellow
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Colour
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 128, 255, >>
    range = 0, 8, white
    range = 9, 22, red
    range = 23, 37, ctb
    range = 38, 52, green
    range = 53, 67, lighgree
    range = 68, 82, lavender
    range = 83, 97, aqua
    range = 98, 112, orange
    range = 113, 127, blue

    parameter = Strobe
    default = 104
    highlight = 104
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 213, 251, random, noauto
    range = 108, 207, pulse, noauto
    range = 209, open, noauto
    range = 0, closed
    range = 4, 103, str, noauto
    range = 104, open, noauto

    parameter = Intensity
    default = 0
    highlight = 65535
    crossfade = 0
    type = htp16bit
    range = 0, 65535, %

    parameter = Iris
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Gobo 1
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Gobo 2
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Gobo 2 <>
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Prism
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Prism <>
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Frost
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, none
    range = 67, lens
    range = 127, frost
    range = 165, frost 2
    range = 255, prism

    parameter = Focus
    default = 128
    highlight = 128
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Pan
    default = 32768
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp16bit
    deflection = 450
    range = 0, 65535, %

    parameter = Tilt
    default = 32768
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp16bit
    deflection = 252
    offset = 0
    range = 0, 65535, %

    parameter = Funktion
    default = 51
    highlight = 51
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 51, defold
    range = 39, convent
    range = 26, norm spe
    range = 13, fast spe

    parameter = Reset
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 25, idle
    range = 26, 76, effect r
    range = 77, 127, pan/tilt
    range = 128, 255, complet

    parameter = Lamp cont
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, idle, noauto
    range = 100, lamp off, noauto
    range = 135, lamp hal, noauto
    range = 255, lamp on, noauto
  • and follow the tips on

    www.flyingpig.com/support/hog2/downloads/Wholehog2Libraries.shtml

    thumbs up

    maikel
  • Hey, thanks so much for taking the time to write all that up, much appreciated.

    I'll give it all a try & let you know how i go :headbang:
  • If it is the elation led wash 60. I have the profile for it. Just let me know if you need it.
  • Hey Patrick,

    No these are just a generic unbranded Chinese 108 x 3 Watt LED moving head, i absolutely do not encourage buying Chinese lighting fixtures, but i also do not own the venue & the owner is someone who does not care for 'brands'

    Cheers though.
  • I have a Hog 1k running Wholehog II v3.3 (177). I've received some American DJ Mega Bar 50 LED and want to add the fixture to my library. I've created the disk from the web page for adding fixtures, but when I go to add it following the directions I've seen, I don't get the same page from my show disk. I see the .lib file, but when I open it to add the fixture I get long streams of numbers. Am i missing something?
  • Yeah, it's all a bit too difficult, I'm thinking of upgrading to newer technology, I'll always enjoy the hog, but gotta move with the times eventually.
  • Maikel is correct guys, the easiest way to edit your libraries is to do it on a PC with a floppy drive (if you can find one), following these instructions-

    flyingpig.com/support/hog2/technotes/addingHog2libraries.pdf

    As for creating the library files, you should be able to figure out how to do it by taking existing libraries and doing a little editing and cutting & pasting. A couple of things to be aware of-
    1) Make sure you write the parameters in the same order as they are listed on your DMX chart for the fixture.
    2) If your DMX chart indicates "fine" control on a separate channel-
    (ex- Ch 1 = Pan, Ch 2 = Pan (fine)
    -write that as one parameter, but show it as 16 bit instead of 8 bit.
    3) make sure that all of the names you show for your parameters are also listed in the FUNCTION.TXT file in the Library folder.

    Tip- If you list the manufacturer as "0", the fixture will show up in your "Generic" folder on the Hog.

    I can send you a library file I created which includes several kinds of LED fixtures, both moving and static. and it should include every kind of parameter you will run into. Just let me know.

    If that seems like to much hassle, there is a link to a good Hog 2 Library Generator (freeware) on Flying Pig's Wholehog 2 Libraries page.

    It's really not all that difficult once you do it a few times!
  • Hi all

    making fixtures for the 1k is a bit tricky but not difficult

    for the 1st idea look to the manual and look to
    www.flyingpig.com/support/hog2/technotes/addingHog2libraries.pdf

    special one : for some fixtures eg led pars without dimmer change ltp to htp
    in the color / type

    thumbs up

    Maikel
  • Hi Jazzeraz
    when you safe a blank show on floppy , find and open the lib lib file and paste my blind try text try and error , change and find your way - thumbs up


    version = 40
    count = 2

    //-------------------------------------------------------
    // 4 chn Mega Bar
    // MK 2012 blind try
    fixture = mega bar
    manufacturer = 57
    product = 25
    name = mega bar 4ch

    output = dmx

    parameter = Red
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Intensity
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = htp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    //-------------------------------------------------------
    // 7 chn Mega Bar
    // MK 2012 blind try
    fixture = mega bar
    manufacturer = 57
    product = 26
    name = mega bar 7ch

    output = dmx

    parameter = Red
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Col mod
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Color <>
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Strobe
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Intensity
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = htp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %
  • [QUOTE=jazzeraz;59011]I have a Hog 1k running Wholehog II v3.3 (177). I've received some American DJ Mega Bar 50 LED and want to add the fixture to my library. I've created the disk from the web page for adding fixtures, but when I go to add it following the directions I've seen, I don't get the same page from my show disk. I see the .lib file, but when I open it to add the fixture I get long streams of numbers. Am i missing something?

    The file is specifically "_lib.lib" (yes, the underscore is real). There are other files ending in .lib that are *NOT* the one you edit, and I suspect that you grabbed one of those.

    - Tim
  • So as it turns out we ended up getting Martin Mac 101 LED Movers, so i guess i just need to upload the fixture lib for a 101?
  • [QUOTE=Navigator;59211]Maikel is correct guys, the easiest way to edit your libraries is to do it on a PC with a floppy drive (if you can find one), following these instructions-

    flyingpig.com/support/hog2/technotes/addingHog2libraries.pdf

    As for creating the library files, you should be able to figure out how to do it by taking existing libraries and doing a little editing and cutting & pasting. A couple of things to be aware of-
    1) Make sure you write the parameters in the same order as they are listed on your DMX chart for the fixture.
    2) If your DMX chart indicates "fine" control on a separate channel-
    (ex- Ch 1 = Pan, Ch 2 = Pan (fine)
    -write that as one parameter, but show it as 16 bit instead of 8 bit.
    3) make sure that all of the names you show for your parameters are also listed in the FUNCTION.TXT file in the Library folder.

    Tip- If you list the manufacturer as "0", the fixture will show up in your "Generic" folder on the Hog.

    I can send you a library file I created which includes several kinds of LED fixtures, both moving and static. and it should include every kind of parameter you will run into. Just let me know.

    If that seems like to much hassle, there is a link to a good Hog 2 Library Generator (freeware) on Flying Pig's Wholehog 2 Libraries page.

    It's really not all that difficult once you do it a few times!


    Hi There. Would you be willing to send me over that LED library file you have as I am a newb also on her first design and programming mission and have a few fixtures I can't seem to find profiles for anywhere that I need to write.

    email is: rcapuano13@gmail.com

    Thanks!
    Rosie
  • We just bought a used Hog 1000 and im tring to set up fixture profiles for the Chauvet COLORado Batten 72. But every time i go to load it, it is giving me an error. All of the codes are the same as another rgbaw fixture i loaded just fine. Any thoughts? I have included the codes.

    //-------------------------------------------------
    fixture = Batten Block2
    manufacturer = 10
    product = 28
    name = Batten Block 2
    output = dmx

    parameter = Red1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = White1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Amber1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Red2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = White2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Amber2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Red3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = White3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Amber3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %
  • My first thought is that since you did not use a mfg/product code that is unique - if this one carried over from what you started with, the conflict will be fatal. Local adds are normally mfg=99, IIRC . . .
    or, you could always tell us what the error is that you get - that might be helpful!

    - Tim
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