Group FX

I really like to here comments about this. Is there any console on the market which can do this? Is this feature requested already?

Sami,

I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm not entirely sure that I understand. I'm imagining a modifier on the effects wheelset that I could adjust while I have all of the fixtures in my effect selected. The problem here is how would the console know which fixture(s) to limit. If you need to select fixtures individually, then wouldn't it be just as easy to adjust the size or rate to 0?

As I said, I think I'm just missing something here. Any clarification you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

I'm not sure how to explain this, but I try...
If you have that 12 fixtures running and you put size to zero or rate to zero they all stop... but the idea of the group modifier is that the lower the value is the more of the fixtures go back to their base value.

I don't know what kind of problems this leads, but it would sure look cool...

Think about this with a wall of LEDs where you could with fader spread the FX to the whole wall and back to the center of wall.

Sami,

I think my confusion here is that I'm not understanding how the console would determine where to spread from. If this is just based on selection order, then the result would be the same as fanning the effect size, wouldn't it?

Thanks.

Hmm...true I guess...maybe I'm just thinking things just too complicated. Are we able to control it by fader?

Again Sami........
How would the console know which fixtures to use.

and to do you LED wall idea couldn;t depend ion fixture selection as the lights would be out of order at times.

I think for this sort of effect you would be best with a system like Catalyst. using the Zoom on a layer with dafferent pixels mapped to tyour LED wall fixtures.

kris.

Well, in my case it would just those fixture that were selected when making the FX. Just wondering a sine wave in that parameter...

What we mean Sami is.
Say you have a led wall of 25 LED units.
Row 1 - LED 01 - LED 02 - LED 03 - LED 04 - LED 05
Row 2 - LED 06 - LED 07 - LED 08 - LED 09 - LED 10
Row 3 - LED 11 - LED 12 - LED 13 - LED 14 - LED 15
Row 4 - LED 16 - LED 17 - LED 18 - LED 19 - LED 20
Row 5 - LED 21 - LED 22 - LED 23 - LED 24 - LED 25

So you select you fixtures 1 thru 25 and applyt what ever effect it is you want.

And you want your effect to shrink to just the center...
How do you tell the hog 3 that it's just fixtures
LED 07 - LED 08 - LED 09
LED 12 - LED 13 - LED 14
LED 17 - LED 18 - LED 19

As the console could not work that out it's self as it's not the center fixtures in the selection.

Kris.

Sounds like you just need to set up your Repeats and/or Buddies to create the behavior you're looking for no?

[quote=teerickson]Sami,

I think my confusion here is that I'm not understanding how the console would determine where to spread from. If this is just based on selection order, then the result would be the same as fanning the effect size, wouldn't it?

Thanks.
My brain explodes...

Maybe this really should be called somekind of Fan FX...
When I thought this a bit more it is just like you said, but I like to run an FX to the amount of fanning. This could work both for size and rate. Also would be nice to able to record fanning amount to a fader.

Am I making any sense?

[quote=Kris.g]What we mean Sami is.
Say you have a led wall of 25 LED units.
Row 1 - LED 01 - LED 02 - LED 03 - LED 04 - LED 05
Row 2 - LED 06 - LED 07 - LED 08 - LED 09 - LED 10
Row 3 - LED 11 - LED 12 - LED 13 - LED 14 - LED 15
Row 4 - LED 16 - LED 17 - LED 18 - LED 19 - LED 20
Row 5 - LED 21 - LED 22 - LED 23 - LED 24 - LED 25

So you select you fixtures 1 thru 25 and applyt what ever effect it is you want.

And you want your effect to shrink to just the center...
How do you tell the hog 3 that it's just fixtures
LED 07 - LED 08 - LED 09
LED 12 - LED 13 - LED 14
LED 17 - LED 18 - LED 19

As the console could not work that out it's self as it's not the center fixtures in the selection.

Kris.
The LED example was a bit bad cause in my case result would be like this for example:

Row 2 - ------ - ------ - LED 08 - LED 09 - LED 10
Row 3 - LED 11 - LED 12 - LED 13 - LED 14 - LED 15
Row 4 - LED 16 - LED 17 - LED 18 - ------- - ------

the example you've given there sami is what WOULD happen it you were to use some sort of A fanning effect of your fixtures in your effect.

The Example I was giving is what you wanted to happen when you mentioned
"Think about this with a wall of LEDs where you could with fader spread the FX to the whole wall and back to the center of wall."

The LED units in the center would be:
------ - LED 07 - LED 08 - LED 09 - ------
------ - LED 12 - LED 13 - LED 14 - ------
------ - LED 17 - LED 18 - LED 19 - ------

and as you just said yourself, using a fan evvect would leave you with:
Row 2 - ------ - ------ - LED 08 - LED 09 - LED 10
Row 3 - LED 11 - LED 12 - LED 13 - LED 14 - LED 15
Row 4 - LED 16 - LED 17 - LED 18 - ------- - ------

Which dosent give you your "into the cunter of the LED wall" effect.


Kris.

Like I said it was a bad example. Also, the goal of this is not LED wall FX...
Though it goes to center of wall (LED 13), but the spreading happens from row to row.

But the main idea was use this for moving lights.
This example might a bit better...
You have a row of moving lights and the middle ones are starting to do can-can, then the FX slowly spreads to the whole row...

How can I do that?

I made a few tests, though my console was GMA and I wasn't able to make it. The problem with fanning was that it was giving values too soon to the fixtures in the end of the row.

The next goal is of course to run FX to fan or being able to control the fan by fader.
And what would happen with this with combination of grouping and buddying. Also this could look pretty interesting when fanning FX between groups of different sizes is possible.