Commands in Magic Sheet

Hello Everyone,

I'm running a 11-unit setup in a showroom (EOS+gadget on windows or mac) where I want to integrate a simple touch screen and a mgic sheet to alter our LED fixtures. Magic-sheet setup is doable, but i've run into problems, when it comes to "create a button" which should recall a certain cue or execute a function like "channel 1 through 11 intensity 40".

So in short:

- how do I setup commands for a magic sheet button (I know its target must be "command") - but how do I execute "Go To Cue 2"?

- is there an overview of possible commands (e.g. "got to cue")? (the user manual and its various unstructured supplements is a nightmare)

Thanks,

Jan

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+1 Sammy over 6 years ago

In the command editable text box. Type out the command line.

For examples, hover your mouse over the box.
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0 jheugel over 6 years ago in reply to Sammy

Got that, but the real hint was the "_" in your screenshot's "Go_To_Cue 2" - here is where the documentation of that commands would be great (again).
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0 Mike A over 6 years ago in reply to jheugel

Its often easier to record a macro and then make the button a macro button rather than a command button, unless its a very simple command
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+1 ueliriegg over 6 years ago in reply to Mike A

i love the commands and prefer having my magic sheet buttons be a command rather than a macro.

to answer the question regarding syntax: usually you can find the correct spelling of a command in the macro editor when looking at a macro.
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0 Sammy over 6 years ago in reply to ueliriegg

To add to Ueli's point it also makes merging a magic sheet into Showfiles much easier. If the functionality of a magic sheet is all within as commands rather than linked to macros, presets and palettes, you only have to merge the magic sheet rather than keeping track of the macros, presets and palettes used and merging them as well.
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+1 ChrDuda over 6 years ago in reply to Sammy

The only downside to commands is, that they are language-specific.
So if you prepare a show for someone who might use a different language on his console, most commands won't work.
Macros on the other hand get "translated".
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0 Wuz314159 over 6 years ago in reply to jheugel

If you were to record your commands into a macro, the console will display the correct command line text from your button pushing.
(Call it a grammar checker.)
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0 Mike A over 6 years ago in reply to Sammy

It does come down to the complexity of your commands. Sure if they are short ones like @30 or Sneak 2 but not if they are more complex ones. Commands are more prone to error as you have to spell them just right whereas the macro is just the button you press.

I'd also argue that what are you really going to use macros for id they are not being used from a magic sheet as you are not really going to remember the numbers to type in once you gave a few. (ok a few may be from execute on cues or OSC).

As with all of this a bit of structure and planning may be need eg show specifc macros are numbered 1 to 100 and general use magic sheet ones are 200 up.

Sam, I'm also not sure how you would avoid needing to merge in the presets and palettes, you're rather limiting your magic sheet if you dont allow it to refer to presets and palletes.
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0 Sammy over 6 years ago in reply to Mike A

Pretty much the majority of the buttons of this magic sheet are commands with exception to the edge/zoom/iris buttons:

I'm not saying you should never link them to presets and palettes, but limiting the amount certainly helps. If you can do it with a command, use the command. If you need to, learn the macro and copy it into the command text field.
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0 jheugel over 6 years ago in reply to Sammy

Thanks guys. I'll macro my way through EOS!
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0 Mike A over 6 years ago in reply to Sammy

It really depends on what you are using the magic sheet for. Your one is indeed mostly doing basic commands and you probably use it for setting up a new show and so that makes perfect sense to keep it all as commands.

I'm using the magic sheets to busk shows, so I need it to have more functionality and for some of it my sheet needs to be like direct selects, ie a bunch of colour pallets, general looks, focus pallets for my movers as well as macros for copying BPMs to my effects, macros to load the master fader with different cue lists for different song styles etc, as well as the kind of things you have on your sheet to adjust parameters (which I do use commands on the buttons). Using macros makes it easier to re use as well as just need the new magic sheet (or areas of the sheet using views) to reference the macro rather than copy pasting the command from button to button.

So really depends on what you are needing to do, both ways of setting it up are valid depending on the usage.
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0 RickR over 6 years ago in reply to Mike A

Therefore it's good thing we can have multiple magic sheets!

I also put MS navigation buttons on mine. So I can jump to one that has the tools I want at the moment. Think early web page design.
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0 Mike A over 6 years ago in reply to RickR

Yes agree navigation buttons are useful to jump to say a setup sheet from you main sheet. Using the views thing that lets you have one sheet and a view shows you an area of it is useful as well . linked to buttons you achieve the same thing navigation wise but you can also copy paste within the single sheet that contains all your "sub sheets"

So I've switched to doing that after I think Ueli suggested it in a post a few months back
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0 wbdreynolds over 2 years ago in reply to Sammy

would you mind sharing this magic sheet? I'm trying to use commands in a magic sheet to write labels/notes to cues and can't get it work correctly...

Thanks!
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0 Christopher Bothwell over 1 year ago in reply to Sammy

I'm trying to teach myself how to write commands. I've used the advice of copying what the macro creates for the syntax. But this is not working well for me. To be specific, the command I'm trying to create is the Effect Effect button push to open the Effect editor from a Magic Sheet. Currently what I have written is: (Effect Open_Effect_Blind Clear_Cmdline Blind Effect *) the asterisk is the final enter. (The asterisk is only used for this text. In reality I do have the diamond Space for enter; Not an asterisks). I can double push The magic sheet object and have the effects editing page come on, but I want to make this a single push. The above command does not function to do this.

Yes, I do have a macro that can do this. But my objective is to learn how to write commands. Does someone have a solution for this? And even better, is there a cheat sheet for writing commands? I have not been able to find any thing.

I would greatly appreciate any direction in resolving my quest.
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